Rebellion against god

[drfuzzy]

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The only fail is that you are just another Christian that never read the Bible...

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30

He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And even if god gave people free will not to believe in him, as you claim, does that mean that you don't have free will because you believe in him? Or was he such bad creator that he is unable to make other people believe in him in spite giving them free will?

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If you read the texts properly you would see that the method of being saved is predestinated, not whether someone will be saved or not.

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People have hurt themsleves over this one, including me, and I hated the doctrine of predestination, and I made the mistake of not reading carefully.

We could discuss the other points you have made, but they're way off topic, as the last few pages of this thread.

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Except that the supposed "original" works of your holy book weren't written in English. They were copied from copies of copies of copies of transcripts of other transcripts of other transcripts that were supposedly taken from some manuscripts that no one can prove even exist now. Furthermore, the KJV was translated to fit King Jame's narrative. It was translated to his specifications and NOT translated with any sort of accuracy. Everyone knows this. That's called using their brains and reason to call out all of the inaccuracies and bullshit that's in your holy book. 

I won't be judged by the bible or any god that you created in your mind, based on your fictional work of art. 

Nice avoidance of anything that I asked for. Dodges like this are so commonplace for theists. Clearly, you haven't brought your A game. If you have - it needs a lot of work. 

According to your  religion, it's your job, as a christian to spread "the word". 


I am so glad I'm not brainwashed like this. I know better than to love an entity that can't be bothered to show his face and relies 100% on humans to spread his "word"- especially one who is - according to SDA - iall-seeing and all-knowing. 

Sorry - that ship sailed a long time ago and you have to be really fucking stupid to continue to blindly subscribe to something so silly as an imaginary sky daddy. 

Nice attempt, but your strawman sucks and you proved my point. When put to the test and asked to provide proof, every time, without fail - theists will resort to finding any excuse they can to avoid actually providing the requested proof. Why? Because you have no proof of anything in your bible.

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If everything that exists was proof that God made and owns the universe

it has not been established at all that nature proves the existence of a deity.  Quite the opposite,

in fact.  , then why should God put on a Muppet show for those that would hate hiim regardless?

"Muppet show" you like that term.  You have used it before with the appropriate level of scorn.  But a "Muppet show" with a deity that actually showed UP and proved that it's not a fantasy would be orders of magnitude greater than the absurd snake-oil salesman lying witch doctor shows that happen in churches every weekend.  It would be proof!  That's obvious.

And no, Christains are not oblidged to have anything to do with those who reject them and their message. They are to inform people and leave an example of acceptance and respect.
Jesus said that it will be more tolerable for the people of Sodom and Gomorrah than for the generation that mocks God having had the opportunity to know Christ.

Accept what I say without any proof or burn.  Oh yes, that's love for you.

Your rejection of the Bible has nothing to do with its veracity.

We reject it because nobody can prove that it has any value.

The means of connection to God are not through a shining conveyor belt, but by your mind, which he respects and leaves alone until you give him permission to connect with you.

People will allow a drug to take over their minds, but they won't allow God to comminicate to them, even though he will never harm or manipulate them.

Oh isn't that convenient.  Connection to god is ONLY possible through unprovable, unmeasurable, unverifiable flights of fancy.  You keep making the same assertions over and over, even after being told that we reject them.  Your delusions aren't going to suddenly come true after the thousandth repetition.  The era of "believe my stories or burn" is over. 

Predestination.  Yep.  If your imaginary friend MADE the universe, and is actually omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, (yes, I know the sky-daddy is a huge stretch and the fantasy capabilities attributed to it are . . . WAY beyond logical, but IF) then it knew, before the Big Bang, that it would create humans.  And the humans would sin.  And it would create hell.  And it would drop 99% of every human ever born in the last 5 million years in hell for all eternity, and a few of it's sycophants would cheer over the screams of all of those poor souls who were being eternally tortured.  Yep.  What a lovely imaginary demon you worship.  And yes, I have read many apologetic hoops that people who believe predestination is a thing go through trying to explain WHY it's not evil.  They're truly sick.

Yammer yammer yammer, the same old "god will get you after you die", "you'll find out at the judgment", "why do you hate god?" "what sin are you clinging to that you won't listen to the voice of god?" idiocy, over and over and over and over and over and over and over --  
    PROVE YOUR SKY DADDY EXISTS.  You can blubber all you want about your imaginary friend, but it's all completely moot until you can prove it exists.  And that's only going to happen when you get it to show up and say "hi".  In person.  No telepathic delusions or warm fuzzy feelings.  
    Until it shows up, all of that "connection to God" sounds like "why won't you say the prayer so you can feel the love of the Celestial Pink Unicorn?  Why won't you accept the Celestial Pink Unicorn into your heart and life?"  

What an astounding bunch of bullshit.