(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Banned, is there something in your special book that says you have to go out of your way to be a cunt all the time? Have you ever considered, you know, having a proper, grown-up, civil conversation?

You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.

Can't blasphemy something that doesn't exist. Show scientific proof god exists. 

Quote:When you abuse them, you demand that they remain non confrontational and become door mats, and you accuse them of lacking Christian graces if they stand up for the right.
The excuse for your abuse is that it is a natural consequence of your 'rationale.'

Awe... are you now claiming to be a persecuted christian? 

Quote:I am worried about you.

You should be more worried about being brainwashed and tricked into believing something that doesn't exist. 
You should be more worried about believing in a god who believes in stoning women for wearing short hair. 
You should be more worried about believing in a god who has a book that promotes slavery, rape and abuse of children and women. 
You should be more worried about believing in a god who has a book that contains tons of contradictions, in which every one of god's followers are okay with.

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(February 25, 2018 at 7:35 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Why would god create mind/ hearts that hate him? As if he is incapable, bad designer, not perfect being.




Not so according to the Bible: "For I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 1 Corinthians 1:19

English fail, or you are just being subversive.

Keep moving those goalposts to suit your own narrative. There is no English fail here. Only your utterly pathetic denial of reality.

Quote:Can't you make up your mind? The freedom to choose is the perfect condition required to please God. Your choice, your freedom, your opportunity to figure it out.

*sarcasm voice on*   But God has a plan!!! Your freedom and opportunity to "figure it out" isn't part of that plan! 

Quote:The text is talking about those who are wise in their own eyes. Like I said, you either know that and are being subversive, or you lack reading and comprehension skills.

It's not an offense to be disadvantaged, but I don't tolerate insincerity.

I'm sure you have a mirror in your house. You should look into it sometime. We don't tolerate people being disingenuous and touting something that can't be proven to be true, as truth. 

Your god and you can both fuck off and kiss my ass.

(February 25, 2018 at 9:24 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.

Well, no. Sure, we verbally abuse ...

And then you lay into it even deeper...you are obviously disturbed about something.

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(February 25, 2018 at 9:24 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.
When you abuse them, you demand that they remain non confrontational and become door mats, and you accuse them of lacking Christian graces if they stand up for the right.
The excuse for your abuse is that it is a natural consequence of your 'rationale.'

I am worried about you.

No, don't you dare throw red herrings around. In almost every post you make some kind of personal attack and insult towards the person you're addressing, for no purpose but to make yourself appear superior. You literally go out of your way to do that. It's like a compulsion with you. An analogy would be someone going into a biker bar and shouting "all bikers are intolerant and violent", then waking up in hospital and saying "see? I was right!"

You can take your 'worry' and shove it where only your priest will find it, you condescending prick.

I can't help how your conscience works - I suggest that you quote at least one sentence where I have disrespected you.

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(February 25, 2018 at 9:46 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Your god punishes people for not being perfect . and imperfect that it totally his fault . Freedom is just an accuse to try and get him off the hook .

If you fell into a well and someone let down a rope to help you out, you'd probably make a noose and hang yourself.

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(February 25, 2018 at 10:27 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(February 25, 2018 at 6:56 am)Banned Wrote:

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The point of the analogy got through alright.

Intelligent design can only be appreciated by people who have allowed the Source of intelligence to bless them.

This is circular reasoning:..

Once you have built a strong and convincing case for god as well as intelligent design, then you can work on building a case for the existence of heaven.  I’ll wait. 😏

Firstly, you don't believe that God exists or that he rewards those who diligently seek him, or that the Bible is the means that God has chosen to educate believers and prepare them for eternal life. Until you yield to God, you will not have the capacity to see the vidence, even though the universe and everything in it was created by God.

The reason people avaoid the knowledge of God is because they know that they will have to give up their idols. They cannot see reconciliation happening.

(February 27, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 25, 2018 at 9:24 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

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Well, no. Sure, we verbally abuse ...

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And then you lay into it even deeper...you are obviously disturbed about something.

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(February 25, 2018 at 9:24 am)Cyberman Wrote:

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No, don't you dare throw red herrings around. In almost every post you make some kind of personal attack and insult towards the person you're addressing, for no purpose but to make yourself appear superior. You literally go out of your way to do that. It's like a compulsion with you. An analogy would be someone going into a biker bar and shouting "all bikers are intolerant and violent", then waking up in hospital and saying "see? I was right!"

You can take your 'worry' and shove it where only your priest will find it, you condescending prick.

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I can't help how your conscience works - I suggest that you quote at least one sentence where I have disrespected you.

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(February 25, 2018 at 9:46 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Your god punishes people for not being perfect . and imperfect that it totally his fault . Freedom is just an accuse to try and get him off the hook .

If you fell into a well and someone let down a rope to help you out, you'd probably make a noose and hang yourself.

Well THAT ^^^ goes into my "weirdest non-sequiturs" collection.

Quote:If you fell into a well and someone let down a rope to help you out, you'd probably make a noose and hang yourself.

No it's more like a mob boss holding a rope down a well and demanding your servitude to get you out. After he kicked you down the well in the first place .Or a mob boss offering to help pull you from the ocean in exchange for your servitude . After he made the ocean and put you in it .And denied you ability to swim .Your god is no saviour he a condemner who offers  a cage for a price .  In that regard he's no better than a demon . And certainly not a perfectly good being.

(February 25, 2018 at 10:34 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: English fail, or you are just being subversive.

The only fail is that you are just another Christian that never read the Bible...

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30

He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And even if god gave people free will not to believe in him, as you claim, does that mean that you don't have free will because you believe in him? Or was he such bad creator that he is unable to make other people believe in him in spite giving them free will?

If you read the texts properly you would see that the method of being saved is predestinated, not whether someone will be saved or not.

People have hurt themsleves over this one, including me, and I hated the doctrine of predestination, and I made the mistake of not reading carefully.

We could discuss the other points you have made, but they're way off topic, as the last few pages of this thread.

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(February 25, 2018 at 11:13 am)Joods Wrote: Except that the supposed "original" works of your holy book weren't written in English. They were copied from copies of copies of copies of transcripts of other transcripts of other transcripts that were supposedly taken from some manuscripts that no one can prove even exist now. Furthermore, the KJV was translated to fit King Jame's narrative. It was translated to his specifications and NOT translated with any sort of accuracy. Everyone knows this. That's called using their brains and reason to call out all of the inaccuracies and bullshit that's in your holy book. 

I won't be judged by the bible or any god that you created in your mind, based on your fictional work of art. 

Nice avoidance of anything that I asked for. Dodges like this are so commonplace for theists. Clearly, you haven't brought your A game. If you have - it needs a lot of work. 

According to your  religion, it's your job, as a christian to spread "the word". 


I am so glad I'm not brainwashed like this. I know better than to love an entity that can't be bothered to show his face and relies 100% on humans to spread his "word"- especially one who is - according to SDA - iall-seeing and all-knowing. 

Sorry - that ship sailed a long time ago and you have to be really fucking stupid to continue to blindly subscribe to something so silly as an imaginary sky daddy. 

Nice attempt, but your strawman sucks and you proved my point. When put to the test and asked to provide proof, every time, without fail - theists will resort to finding any excuse they can to avoid actually providing the requested proof. Why? Because you have no proof of anything in your bible.

If everything that exists was proof that God made and owns the universe, then why should God put on a Muppet show for those that would hate hiim regardless?

And no, Christains are not oblidged to have anything to do with those who reject them and their message. They are to inform people and leave an example of acceptance and respect.
Jesus said that it will be more tolerable for the people of Sodom and Gomorrah than for the generation that mocks God having had the opportunity to know Christ.

Your rejection of the Bible has nothing to do with its veracity.

The means of connection to God are not through a shining conveyor belt, but by your mind, which he respects and leaves alone until you give him permission to connect with you.

People will allow a drug to take over their minds, but they won't allow God to comminicate to them, even though he will never harm or manipulate them.

(February 27, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Banned Wrote: Firstly, you don't believe that God exists or that he rewards those who diligently seek him, or that the Bible is the means that God has chosen to educate believers and prepare them for eternal life. Until you yield to God, you will not have the capacity to see the evidence, even though the universe and everything in it was created by God.

I think it's more likely that when people "yield to God," all they're doing is surrendering to the fantasy-generating part of their own brains, which then creates illusory "evidence" to prop up the new worldview.

As for these alleged rewards that believers get, I'm not seeing it.  At most, beliefs may inspire people to behave differently and sometimes that has a positive effect.

The bits about eternal life and the creation of the universe are pure mythological fantasy, unsupported by reality.

Quote:If everything that exists was proof that God made and owns the universe, then why should God put on a Muppet show for those that would hate hiim regardless?

It's not . And even if it were a truly good god would not care who hates him . He would reveal himself all the same because no one could hate him afterwards  . And a god who merely  makes the universe is not  a god worth worshipping . And nor does it mean he owns the universe nor would he wish too own it. 

Quote:And no, Christains are not oblidged to have anything to do with those who reject them and their message. They are to inform people and leave an example of acceptance and respect.
Jesus said that it will be more tolerable for the people of Sodom and Gomorrah than for the generation that mocks God having had the opportunity to know Christ.

Then Christians are worthless. They cannot reason or convince . Thus the weakness of their ideology is made clear . Those who have the ultimate truths would be able to convince to fly and water to burn . You cannot convince one soul here . It's not out of some grand example or a fault of others . It's because you have nothing worthwhile to say.

Quote:Your rejection of the Bible has nothing to do with its veracity. 

And your lack of ability to defend it says all we need to know. 

Quote:The means of connection to God are not through a shining conveyor belt, but by your mind, which he respects and leaves alone until you give him permission to connect with you.

Then he is no god . A gods mere presence in reality should be a permanent as i have spoken before . If he exists their would be no need of permission or waiting . 

Quote:People will allow a drug to take over their minds, but they won't allow God to comminicate to them, even though he will never harm or manipulate them.

As i said the suns rays do not manipulate the cold does not manipulate . They are present and known. While your so called god is not.

(February 25, 2018 at 12:00 pm)Joods Wrote: You should be more worried about being brainwashed and tricked into believing something that doesn't exist. 
You should be more worried about believing in a god who believes in stoning women for wearing short hair. 
You should be more worried about believing in a god who has a book that promotes slavery, rape and abuse of children and women. 
You should be more worried about believing in a god who has a book that contains tons of contradictions, in which every one of god's followers are okay with.

*sarcasm voice on*   But God has a plan!!! Your freedom and opportunity to "figure it out" isn't part of that plan! 

I'm sure you have a mirror in your house. You should look into it sometime. We don't tolerate people being disingenuous and touting something that can't be proven to be true, as truth. 

Your god and you can both fuck off and kiss my ass.

You didn't show any proof of your interpretations about slavery, rape etc.
It's an old subject which doesn't belong here, like most of the conversations, if they can be called that, so far.

According to your sane logic and reasoning, my God doesn't exist, and yet in that last sentence you have given my existence the same credibiity.
Or was it just meant to express your rage?

Speaking of rage - because it has something to do with the topic of rebellion - what do you have to lose if you yielded to Christ, or is your rage dear to you?

It's probably coming from something else...which has nothing to do with God.

Quote:Firstly, you don't believe that God exists or that he rewards those who diligently seek him, or that the Bible is the means that God has chosen to educate believers and prepare them for eternal life. Until you yield to God, you will not have the capacity to see the evidence, even though the universe and everything in it was created by God.

A true god would not require yielding. Anymore then a warm wind requires submission . It would be their and it would be undeniable and irrefusable.

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Quote:Speaking of rage - because it has something to do with the topic of rebellion - what do you have to lose if you yielded to Christ, or is your rage dear to you?

I lose my integrity and my self respect .

And i gain nothing by yielding to your so called god .

(February 27, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Banned Wrote: Firstly, you don't believe that God exists or that he rewards those who diligently seek him, or that the Bible is the means that God has chosen to educate believers and prepare them for eternal life. Until you yield to God, you will not have the capacity to see the evidence, even though the universe and everything in it was created by God.

I think it's more likely that when people "yield to God," all they're doing is surrendering to the fantasy-generating part of their own brains, which then creates illusory "evidence" to prop up the new worldview.

As for these alleged rewards that believers get, I'm not seeing it.  At most, beliefs may inspire people to behave differently and sometimes that has a positive effect.

The bits about eternal life and the creation of the universe are pure mythological fantasy, unsupported by reality.

If the universe and everything in it is God's creation, then all of it is proof, but if a person was to deny that, then there isn't any proof to be had.

Some people argue that some sort of show would convince them.
Let's say that they are convinced by a sensory and scientifically documented experience , then what?
Will it be idolatry again?

The rebellion is still there.
Proof that the rebellion will not leave upon revelation, is this - the law of God requires obedience to God on all levels. Will people give up their sins?
No they won't.

God will show his face to those who love and obey him.

I'm just wondering what sin people think is too precious to give up?