Rebellion against god

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[size=small].[size=small]If a true god reveal itself people would have no motivation need or want to rebel .

What do you think people would do if God revealed himself?

That's history - at Mt Sinai the Jews fled the scene.
So God become a human being, and they crucified him.

But of course you wouldn't be like that.

But if God became a human being like Jesus now is, and quoted the scriptures about his story, then that's a good reason to deny that he is God in human form.
because you don't want to study the scriptures.

But if God comes to you as God, then you would die before you had the chance to gasp.
So if he came to you as God, but in a protective mode for your sake - like a false image of God, an angel or an apparition, then you really cannot claim to have seen him, and he would be lying to you about who he really is.

So becoming a human being, not just appearing as one, would be the safest revelation for sinners, and if they don't like his character and personality then...?

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it has not been established at all that nature proves the existence of a deity.  Quite the opposite,
"Muppet show" you like that term.  You have used it before with the appropriate level of scorn.  But a "Muppet show" with a deity that actually showed UP and proved that it's not a fantasy would be orders of magnitude greater than the absurd snake-oil salesman lying witch doctor shows that happen in churches every weekend.  It would be proof!  That's obvious.

Accept what I say without any proof or burn.  Oh yes, that's love for you.

We reject it because nobody can prove that it has any value.

Oh isn't that convenient.  Connection to god is ONLY possible through unprovable, unmeasurable, unverifiable flights of fancy.  You keep making the same assertions over and over, even after being told that we reject them.  Your delusions aren't going to suddenly come true after the thousandth repetition.  The era of "believe my stories or burn" is over.Predestination. Yep. If your imaginary friend MADE the universe, and is actually omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, (yes, I know the sky-daddy is a huge stretch and the fantasy capabilities attributed to it are . . . WAY beyond logical, but IF) then it knew, before the Big Bang, that it would create humans. And the humans would sin. And it would create hell. And it would drop 99% of every human ever born in the last 5 million years in hell for all eternity, and a few of it's sycophants would cheer over the screams of all of those poor souls who were being eternally tortured. Yep. What a lovely imaginary demon you worship. And yes, I have read many apologetic hoops that people who believe predestination is a thing go through trying to explain WHY it's not evil. They're truly sick.

Yammer yammer yammer, the same old "god will get you after you die", "you'll find out at the judgment", "why do you hate god?" "what sin are you clinging to that you won't listen to the voice of god?" idiocy, over and over and over and over and over and over and over --
PROVE YOUR SKY DADDY EXISTS. You can blubber all you want about your imaginary friend, but it's all completely moot until you can prove it exists. And that's only going to happen when you get it to show up and say "hi". In person. No telepathic delusions or warm fuzzy feelings.
Until it shows up, all of that "connection to God" sounds like "why won't you say the prayer so you can feel the love of the Celestial Pink Unicorn? Why won't you accept the Celestial Pink Unicorn into your heart and life?"

What an astounding bunch of bullshit.

 


Don't worry, God will turn up, That is what an Adventist hopes in.

Will you know who he is and be happy to see him, or will you be clinging to your hellish ideas about God, and be waiting with a set of test tubes and a band of clip board warriors?

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Totally opposite of what your god is all about. Non-believers are better examples of acceptance and respect. We let you in here, after all. Look at all the religious forums that immediately ban an atheist (or any other person) the moment said person doesn't agree with the religious and their ideals.  Can't say we do that here. We have many theists who have been a part of these forums for YEARS. 

Yes it does. The lack of proof and evidence is exactly why I reject it and the nonsense it contains. Lack of accuracy is why I reject it. The simple fact that the first two chapters of Genesis directly contradict each other are reason enough to reject it. The bible has NO veracity because you can't verify any of the information contained in it, via a measurable or proven method. 

Does the flood ring a bell? 
Genocide?
How about what he cursed Eve with after some fucking talking snake convinced her to eat an apple that she promptly gave to Adam. 
How come there are no talking snakes in the present day? 

Your bible and your god are made up. Nice try though.

Atheists are more honest than those on religious forums, and I agree that those forums have unfairly cut off many critics.

As for your take on the Bible, I can only say that I thought about those arguments while I was reading.

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Correct.  There is as of yet no actual proof to be had.  At this point all you have is your belief, which you are trying to leverage against reality to support that belief.  That's a circular argument, and logically invalid.

There is no actual rebellion, as one cannot "rebel" against a fictional being.
Obey the laws of your church if you wish.  I will not.  I have no patience or respect at all for cults that preach end-times theology.

The ability to see intelligent design has nothing to do with circular reasoning.
It is possible for humans to be ignorant of the true nature of the universe.

As for rebellion against nothing, the topic is "rebellion against god."
And for the end times theology, I really can't blame you for your distaste there, just look at YouTube.

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Correct. I do not believe these claims.  Noone has ever given me a reason to.  

How can I yield to something that I don’t believe exists? Why would you even say that to me if you know I’m not convinced that god exists in the first place? Why should I care what anyone has to say about a thing that I don’t even believe is real?  Would you care to hear me yammer on about the details of the invisible, fire-breathing dragon in my garage if I don’t provide you with any evidence or reason to believe it exists at all?

So, rather than ask me why I don’t believe, you’re just going to assume your own reasons (or whatever your cult tells you is the real reason) and project them onto me?  Talking to you is like talking to a robot.  Did they give you a script?

Did I ever ask you to believe in something that doesn't exist in your mind? That would have been unfair. I'm sorry.