(March 30, 2018 at 6:57 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 1:14 am)Godscreated Wrote: I see you love to cherry pick, I'm sure there's a job for you in a cherry orchard. There are verses that follow that one and at the end it says once we have corrected our problem we can help others correct their's. Since you recognize those words came directly from the mouth of God why are you disobeying them even in this very post.
GC
Allow me to clarify: according to Christian belief those words come from the mouth of God. If I was to point out to a fundamentalist Muslim or Jew that they eat bacon, I would not have to take on on the religious beliefs in question in order to point out that the person in question didn't follow them.
Whatever, you still throw up a verse and say we do not obey it and yet to make your post you disobey it, that in no way has any strength in an argument.
vulcanlogician Wrote:One of my favorite Christian authors is Leo Tolstoy. He agrees with my assessment here (or, more precisely, I agree with him, because he introduced me to the idea). He said that Jesus gave a number of clear commandments that nobody follows (or even attempts to follow). And at the same time, these very same people point the finger at nonbelievers for lacking a moral compass. He took Matthew 7:1 literally. In fact, he took every word from Jesus in the Bible literally. And instead of trying to square the circle when something elsewhere in the Bible contradicted what Jesus says, he took Jesus's commandment to be the more compelling of the two. (BTW, he was excommunicated from the Orthodox church for heresy.)
Many words Christ spoke are not obeyed by Christians, that's why we need the saving grace of God through the death and resurrection of Christ. Works do not save, salvation come as an unmerited gift, works show that a person is changing their life to serve God. If there is no works or changes then there was most likely no salvation.
I never said that verse wasn't correct because it is, what I said was that we can judge (best silently) in an effort to help someone else after we have cleaned up that part of our life through our relationship with God. Paul points out that we can know the wolves in sheep's clothing within the church and that we are suppose to get rid of them if they do not change. I haven't read Tolstoy because I would rather read what God has to say than man, man can be misleading and anything from man must be in compliance with the scriptures.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.