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[Dotard]

Wow. Three bonus hours a week?
You get paid to have all that time for supply runs and preparation? That must make the <40 hour pay week and the fact that you're not getting paid for 1/4 of an entire year totally worth it. [/i]

That's seven hours a week. More than a 'full' workday. Not getting paid? You are getting paid. You can elect to have your annual salary distributed during your working time or distributed through out the year. Either way it's an annual salary. You are paid.

Really? Since when? Where are you getting this information because I've taken college teaching courses and interacted with dozens from my area who actually say otherwise.

Same place you got yours. Interacting with dozens from my area. It may just be a case of semantics? Yearly salary of $30000 a year. Some look at it and say that's for the working time, they rest is unpaid, Woah is me. Others look and say that's for the entire year, I get three months vacation. Yay for me!

And fuck no they don't get paid for 3 months of summer vacation. No one fucking gets paid for 3 months summer vacation.

It depends on the choice of distribution and how it is viewed as discribed above.

Call it all you want. I don't know what teachers you're talking about but I know that the vast majority of teachers don't get the treatment you described. Maybe their pay is much better after ten years of teaching and with some of the highest schoolastic degrees you can take, but they're still underpaid for their profession and the amount of work they do, and the education they have, which you appear to be significantly underestimating.

And the same, I don't know what teachers you are talking about. Yes, maybe I may be underestimating, but it is an equal possibility you may be overestimating.

34$ an hour for 365 days a year doesn't add up to 30k average yearly salary, Dot.

That figure was obtained by subtracting the three months off duty. I was looking for pay for actual hours worked. If you figure in those three months then the hourly rate is lower but you are looking at a three month paid vacation. We all know I suk at maths but I'm not that far off. $30,000 divided by 52 weeks is approx. $576 a week? Divided by 30 hours required to be on duty is close enough to call it $20 an hour with a paid three month vacation plus a paid week off for xmas, and a paid week off for Tgiving. Without the three months figured in is approx. $34 an hour.

Teachers don't get paid for having 3 months off. That's what every educator that has discussed pay with me has straight up told me,

We will pay you $34 an hour but you will be "laid-off" three months out of the year.
We will pay you $20 an hour and give you a three month paid vacation.

Your examples are taking the top choice. Mine are taking the bottom choice. Either way they still add up to the same end salary and you are on vacation three months out of twelve.

No one is in this job for the money or the job security.

I admitted my sample is quite small yet supported my contentions. The blanket required for that statement of yours would be quite large.

So jobs exist where you have to physically work insane hours/week for good pay (only because you're working 84-120 hours a week) with no holiday vacation, no benefits, and only a week's additional paid vacation compared to most jobs (assuming 2 week is the average). In addition, of course, to living in a war zone.
That you can take with no education requirements, I assume beyond a high school education.

Yeah, I get that there are much harder jobs in the world than teaching. I don't see what this has to do with anything.

You were the one who brought it up. You mentioned something about people can get higher paying jobs without the four years.

Right right, it's not really work if it's not physical labor.
Cry me a goddamn river, as you so eloquently put it.

You were the one who started the wage compairison between 'high school drop-out' jobs and teaching jobs. I was just pointing out yes there are jobs that can pay more actual dollars at the end of the week but you must consider hours worked, danger level, conditions....

The high level of pay for these jobs is in direct compensation for the risk to your life and limbs. OR the insane hours needed to achieve that level of pay. OR the condition of your work and living enviroment.