RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 16, 2018 at 8:59 am
(July 15, 2018 at 9:05 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(July 15, 2018 at 12:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is a huge difference between the word 'definition' and 'tradition'. You need the weaker word to prop up your opposition.
And this is tradition, not definition. Marriage is a government recognition of a bond between two people who announce that bond to the world.
Where do you get that? You couldn't be more wrong. Marriage predates government in every culture--ever.
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(July 15, 2018 at 12:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: You still are not getting it. Your analogies suck. You bring up individual rights to argue whether a definition older than history itself be set aside and a whole new definition put in it's place. No oppression of rights. No one is trying to limit one's abilities to do anything or to pursue anything. The definition is just not available to homosexual relationships.
You can argue whether the Christian position is right or not--but that is not what is typically done. Usually it is a litany of mischaracterization, demonizing because of a fringe group, straw men, red herrings and your false analogies to shift the debate because anger is a tool the left loves to pull out. Those on the left don't even know they have been co-opted into the hate/anger game. Wake up. Have a civil discussion with someone whom you disagree and learn why they disagree. That is intelligent way.
But it *isn't* a definition older than history. In fact, non-monogamous relationships and relationships between those of the same gender were probably much more accepted before the rise of monotheism. It was *your* tradition that changed the definitions!
Again, you are making things up. Yes, in certain cultures homosexual relationships was acceptable--but I don't recall that it was ever called marriage. Every culture in the world, ever, had the concept of marriage.
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(July 15, 2018 at 1:08 pm)SteveII Wrote: Some definitions do. Most do not. Is a Christian who believed that marriage was ordained by God and restated by Jesus wrong to oppose the changing of the definition? Yes or no: are the wrong?
It isn't a change of the definition. And yes, they are wrong to be bigoted and not allow perfectly healthy, loving relationships between those who don't agree with their BS.
Yes, it very much a fact that it is a change in definition.
This is very interesting. Post after post after post, you atheists continue to prove that you don't understand the main Christian position while trying to prove that you do!! Your angry echo chamber seems to be impenetrable.
