Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it

[The Grand Nudger]

Well thanks for all that... but when you wrap it up with a "So..what I'm trying to say, is shut the fuck up, lol" what I'm hearing is this:

"I have endured these things, and you haven't, so your argument is invalid."

More to the effect of, "what you just said was phenomenally ignorant, and let me share a little bit to show you why. "

You didn't make an argument to be valid or invalid, you just said something stupid.  That, in your estimation, the people here would consider abortion on account of warts on a kids face.

So, I'll just state it again. Shut the fuck up, lol.

Which is, of course, an ad hominem logical fallacy. My argument does not fail because of its content but because of who said it.

But that's just my interpretation of your argument.  Hopefully your argument does not contain a fallacy and instead I've misinterpreted.

I'm sorry for the hardship you've endured, but I think your anecdote is tangential to the pro-choice movement.  Pro-choice, ideally, is the notion that a woman could have a perfectly healthy baby and a guaranteed healthy pregnancy and a financially supple household and still be morally in the right to have an abortion. That is the ideal of pro-choice. That is the antithesis of what you're describing in your personal story.

She could be.

I shared with you how two people who are ideologically opposed to abortion..my wife and myself.....have to confront the reality of the decision.  Had some other couple been in a similar situation and chose not to have the child it would be the height of hilarity if neither she nor I could understand if they decided they didn't want to deal with all of that.  To insist that, somehow, their decision which differed from ours was immoral, or could not be morally justified.

That story..was a story about my wife and I, two well off people with plenty of cash when we first went into it and wanting a child.... getting lucky.....let that sink in.  Things could have been even worse. We had to live through that, not just her and I..her and I and our kids and our friends and our family and everyone whose lives we impacted. It got ugly, and our daughter will spend the rest of her life dealing with that complication. Other people face worse consequences, more heartwrenching decisions, lesser circumstances....and, you know, some people don't even want kids, or aren't with anyone that they ought to have kids with. If you ask either of us, we'd do it all over again, and do it all over the same way again...but that's just us... it doesn't carry some weight we can place on another persons back or insist that they carry it or be bad people. Hell, we've heard every argument for why we were fucking up, why we shouldn't have a kid, or another kid, or another kid, or another kid. It's not that those people have been wholly wrong. More reasonable people in our situation might have called it quits after that first try and in many ways that probably could have been the best idea, practically and morally.

You asked for something, you got what you asked for. Your dissatisfaction is indicative of your own biases, and not in any way a product of not having been made aware of these things which you likely already knew..but decided to say phenomenally ignorant shit about. You asked me what I would advise a person, I'll advise you. Don't have an abortion, and while you're at it keep your opinions on the subject to yourself until such time as you can muster up credible ones.

Abortion problem solved.