(March 4, 2020 at 1:19 am)EgoDeath Wrote:(March 4, 2020 at 1:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: Pick your battles. If I had my way, religion wouldn't exist. I love liberals because they represent the inclusive pluralistic nature in our species, but even with my fellow liberals, even with the likes of AOC or Martin Luther King Jr or Anne Frank, as much as I love them, I would still argue that our morality isn't coming from old mythology, but is in our evolution as individuals.
AOC isn't misguided, wrong about the existence of a God sure. But between how she views economics and society and inclusion and pluralism, who do you want in office? Her or the orange fucktard?
I still say she's misguided. I mean, if you're giving me the very limited scope of AOC or Trump... Yeah, I pick AOC any day of the week. Hell, I'd pick damn near anyone over Trump... I'd probably pick an actual orangutan over Trump. Okay... maybe not that far. But you get the point.
I just think AOC tries very hard to be this like hard-hitting, stand your ground type of Liberal, and it just isn't working. Like I said, Republicans will double down, draw a line in the sand and tell liberals to go fuck themselves until the end of time - and they'll do so with smug fucking smirks on their faces, actually believing that they're doing the right thing, because they think they're opposing the Satanic, evil Libtards! YEEHAW! It's not gonna' work. We need to find a more sly way to defeat the Repubs, imho.
And yes, I think AOC is obviously misguided when it comes to religion, and watching her lazily quote scripture is a bit cringe-worthy. Of course, morality does not come from any sort of divine source, as much as we try to tell ourselves it does as a human race.
If I can summarize humans, we think locally, and tribally and stick to that which we grow up with, and we are familiar with. It does not mean those we disagree with are always evil. You just agreed that you'd take AOC over Trump any day, and I agree. But when you have people like Mitt Romney, James Comey and Joe Walsh, finally seeing the light, why make enemies of them?
I think most humans are good, but misguided by the prospect of false hope of an afterlife. Unfortunately evolution does not produce offspring with adult critical thinking skills at birth. So regardless of party, liberal or conservative, and all religions have those aspects, most humans simply buy what their parents sell them at birth.
So if we are to, as a species foster a less violent world, it isn't that we should never challenge religion, we should. But we should always know the difference between the sale of inclusion and fear, power and greed, vs someone whom simply values inclusion, but does does not agree with us.
Even though she quoted Jesus, and yes, it does bother me, she did so with the intent to include, not exclude.