Does humanity deserve Corona?

[WinterHold]

Is that what he thinks, really? He has recently said that powerful governments generally don't follow real Islamic principles. Has he argued that the Ottoman Empire was good? Please provide a direct quotation or link.

He seems to be saying that all humanity is pretty bad, not only non-Muslims. But he can clarify if he wants. 

He mourns the passing of the Ottoman Empire, despises the Arabs who overthrew it and wishes to return to the 'Caliphate' which (according to him) should have total domination of the globe.

Liar.

Next is the evidence from my past posts:

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https://atheistforums.org/thread-60167-p...pid1948928

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said:

The Ottoman empire's final days were brutal on the non-Turks, especially Arabs. No wonder the Ottomans saw many revolts from the natives of Arabia -and most of the Muslim world-; revolts that allowed the British Empire to take so many of the region's land.

The lesson though is never learnt; that before decline empires start to massacre and genocide.

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https://atheistforums.org/thread-59828-p...pid1936203

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said:

Muslim history is being dumped underground, and ignoring the existence of Muslims is widespread, it even reached the degree of demonizing Muslim civilizations like the Ottoman civilization without any shame; forgetting real grand demons like HItler, Vlad and the Crusaders

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https://atheistforums.org/thread-59474-p...pid1925512

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said:

The Spanish emptied America of its natives; the British were less ruthless and met a far greater resistance in the Ottoman land. The oppression and massacre against Muslims reached the level of occupying Palestine by Britain and carrying out an ethnic change to the natives of the land. It's a timebomb designed,created, and set to blow by Britain; not by Muslim inner fighting.

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https://atheistforums.org/thread-55285-p...pid1774912

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said

Wake up, Fatal Frame 338. Britain engineered the whole Arab World, and the Israeli-Arab conflict with it. It was more of a "spiky anal-beads" in the butt of the ruins of the Ottoman empire; one anal-bead designed to hurt for a long time. A landmine so the region always stay in turmoil.

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https://atheistforums.org/thread-54806-p...pid1752539

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said

You have a point.

Until this moment; I couldn't find a justification for the invasion of Spain that took place in the early Islamic age. Which began all of this.

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https://atheistforums.org/thread-53299-p...pid1699522

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said

Big Ew. Ottoman Turkish Sultans injected lots of savage habits. Countries in the Middle East, that followed the Turks once, have so many disgusting cultural habits and norms. During the 1st Jan revolution in Egypt; the Egyptian army turned very Ottoman and bashed female protestors with not just bullets and batons, but with things like this also:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/m...nity-tests

[url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/11/egypt-doctor-cleared-virginity-tests][/url]
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https://atheistforums.org/thread-53299-p...pid1699522

AtlasS33 -now WinterHold- said

Of course; according to the culture; if the female protestors aren't "virgins"; then they are "whore" and their revolution is mere "riot with no goal."
History spoke about the Ottoman "Harems" too; so... In Saudi Arabia, they call women "Horma". It means "Forbidden" or "sanctity".

It's a cultural fail. These women weren't asked before being "sex toys" for the Sultan. Maybe that's why the Ottoman were so hated, and things like this made them fall.

I also heard about this "losing virginity is painful for women" rumor. All of this, is to keep women afraid of sex, and to prevent young girls from "shaming the family" by having sex without marriage.

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This person is a liar who spreads lies against me, I don't know his goal or what he wants.

@Belaqua  : read this please

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You should have tried searching for his views on a global Caliphate, that has been the most jarring change in his outlook since I returned to the forum. 
His views regarding the Arabs usually surface when he's ranting about the Saudis.

I'll wait and see what he says. So far I've only seen him say that because Muslim countries have been subjugated by more powerful imperial and colonial powers for a long time, people in the subjugated countries have developed an inferiority complex. It makes sense to me that when my country and others treat whole regions of the world as pawns with resources to be stolen, it would have long-lasting psychological effects. I had never thought of it that way before, so I learned something. 

If he wants a powerful Muslim country in order to counter the evil done by my own country, that would be understandable. Personally I don't see that as leading to peace, but it's not for an American to say that they should disarm before we do.

People like us -- from those powerful countries -- should acknowledge that imperial influences have long term negative effects. If we try to downplay the obvious historical causes of poverty and lack of development in the subjugated countries and blame it on their religion, we are giving our own countries a pass that we don't deserve.

But I'm not here to pass judgment on individual posters -- I prefer to talk about history and philosophy, and people who disagree with me can help me to formulate my own ideas more fully.

A place where the true meanings of the Quran are practiced -under a mass voting on the meanings- is what I seek.
Just like in the times of Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him.

Not a totalitarian dictatorship like the Ottoman empire.