Israeli forces kill medic, wound 100 protesters in Gaza unrest, Palestinian ministry

[WinterHold]

If every Arab citizen farted in the general direction of Tel Aviv; Israel will be no more.

So seriously, do you still believe the big fat lie that Israel "is the weak guy" in the region?
Israel is loved by the UAE, Egypt, MBS in Saudi Arabia, update your information:

What on earth gave you the impression that I thought israel was "the weak guy"?  They;ve been handing everyone in the region their ass for some time now.  The shame is clearly unbearable.

Hell..you;re worried they;re coming for your browneye, like a big gay jewish boogeyman.

I don't think so. They didn't give their "ass" to anybody. Actually everybody was giving their ass to them.
You consider them to be the weak guy, because you want me -and Muslims- to give them an excuse and just remain silent for all the crimes they did, like a child slapping you while having a tantrum. The fact here is that these are grown up people who commit crimes against humanity, and it shouldn't be excused.

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Israel got the whole weight of the British & American media backing its formation during & after WW2, after all it was the strong corner for Britian, France & Russia in the Sykes-Picot treaty, and then it became the American bunker in the Middle East. It's the tip of the spear now for any American plan to harvest the Middle East off its resources, Trump's "ultimate deal" is just an example of that.

Oh really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a minority Jewish population (around 3–5% of the total).

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Immediately following their declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, the British War Cabinet began to consider the future of Palestine. By late 1917, in the lead up to the Balfour Declaration,

The first high level negotiation between the British and the Zionists can be dated to a conference on 7 February 1917 that included Sir Mark Sykes and the Zionist leadership. Subsequent discussions led to Balfour's request, on 19 June, that Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann submit a draft of a public declaration.

Wake up, Fatal Frame 338. Britain engineered the whole Arab World, and the Israeli-Arab conflict with it. It was more of a "spiky anal-beads" in the butt of the ruins of the Ottoman empire; one anal-bead designed to hurt for a long time. A landmine so the region always stay in turmoil.

[Angrboda]

Oh really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a minority Jewish population (around 3–5% of the total).

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Immediately following their declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, the British War Cabinet began to consider the future of Palestine. By late 1917, in the lead up to the Balfour Declaration,

The first high level negotiation between the British and the Zionists can be dated to a conference on 7 February 1917 that included Sir Mark Sykes and the Zionist leadership. Subsequent discussions led to Balfour's request, on 19 June, that Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann submit a draft of a public declaration.

Wake up, Fatal Frame 338. Britain engineered the whole Arab World, and the Israeli-Arab conflict with it. It was more of a "spiky anal-beads" in the butt of the ruins of the Ottoman empire; one anal-bead designed to hurt for a long time. A landmine so the region always stay in turmoil.

That isn't any kind of evidence that Israel is, "the tip of the spear now for any American plan to harvest the Middle East off its resources." If you think it is, then you're a loony as I implied in my prior post.

[WinterHold]

That isn't any kind of evidence that Israel is, "the tip of the spear now for any American plan to harvest the Middle East off its resources."  If you think it is, then you're a loony as I implied in my prior post.

How do you read the "installing of a Jewish state right in the middle of states dominated by Islam"?
If the west wanted an entry point into the Islamic backyard, all it has to do is "enter through Israel".

The evidence for the early British support for Israel:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_De...sh_support

Early British political support for an increased Jewish presence in the region of Palestine was based upon geopolitical calculations.[1][i] This support began in the early 1840s[3] and was led by Lord Palmerston, following the occupation of Syria and Palestine by separatist Ottoman governor Muhammad Ali of Egypt.[4][5]

French influence had grown in Palestine and the wider Middle East as protector of the Catholic communities began to grow, just as Russian influence had grown as protector of the Eastern Orthodox in the same regions. This left Britain without a sphere of influence,[4] and thus a need to find or create their own regional "protégés".[6]

Maybe you just don't want to see it?
Britain "engineered this conflict". Do you want to convince me to believe the word of British politicians?

What I quoted above, is "the tip of the spear" sentence, in other words.
Do you prefer "The regional sphere of influence"?

[Angrboda]

That isn't any kind of evidence that Israel is, "the tip of the spear now for any American plan to harvest the Middle East off its resources."  If you think it is, then you're a loony as I implied in my prior post.

How do you read the "installing of a Jewish state right in the middle of states dominated by Islam"?
If the west wanted an entry point into the Islamic backyard, all it has to do is "enter through Israel".

The evidence for the early British support for Israel:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_De...sh_support

Early British political support for an increased Jewish presence in the region of Palestine was based upon geopolitical calculations.[1][i] This support began in the early 1840s[3] and was led by Lord Palmerston, following the occupation of Syria and Palestine by separatist Ottoman governor Muhammad Ali of Egypt.[4][5]

French influence had grown in Palestine and the wider Middle East as protector of the Catholic communities began to grow, just as Russian influence had grown as protector of the Eastern Orthodox in the same regions. This left Britain without a sphere of influence,[4] and thus a need to find or create their own regional "protégés".[6]

Maybe you just don't want to see it?
Britain "engineered this conflict". Do you want to convince me to believe the word of British politicians?

What I quoted above, is "the tip of the spear" sentence, in other words.
Do you prefer "The regional sphere of influence"?

First of all, the U.S. is not Britain.  There is no "tip of the spear" and no American plans to invade the Middle East in order to harvest their resources.  And when we examine your own sources, even they refute you.

Early British political support for an increased Jewish presence in the region of Palestine was based upon geopolitical calculations. ... Such efforts were premature, and did not succeed; only 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine on the eve of the emergence of Zionism within the world's Jewish communities in the last two decades of the 19th century.

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Scope of the national home "in Palestine"

The statement that such a homeland would be found "in Palestine" rather than "of Palestine" was also deliberate.[xxiv] The proposed draft of the declaration contained in Rothschild's 12 July letter to Balfour referred to the principle "that Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people." In the final text, following Lord Milner's amendment, the word "reconstituted" was removed and the word "that" was replaced with "in".

This text thereby avoided committing the entirety of Palestine as the National Home of the Jewish people, resulting in controversy in future years over the intended scope. This was clarified by the 1922 Churchill White Paper, which wrote that "the terms of the declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded 'in Palestine.'"

Wikipedia || Balfour declaration [emphasis mine]

An examination of actual history shows that the Arabs and Palestinians were their own worst enemy, and got hoist on their own petard.  So if you have any evidence that America intends to invade the Middle East, then bring it.  Otherwise, shut up with your crazy, bigoted reinvention of history and fact.

Social and political developments in Europe convinced Jews they needed their own country, and their ancestral homeland seemed like the right place to establish it. European Jews — 90 percent of all Jews at the time — arrived at Zionism partly because of rising anti-Semitic persecution and partly because the Enlightenment introduced Jews to secular nationalism. Between 1896 and 1948, hundreds of thousands of Jews resettled from Europe to what was then British-controlled Palestine, including large numbers forced out of Europe during the Holocaust.

Many Arabs saw the influx of Jews as a European colonial movement, and the two peoples fought bitterly. The British couldn't control the violence, and in 1947 the United Nations voted to split the land into two countries. Almost all of the roughly 650,000 Jews went to the blue territory in the map to the right, and a majority of the Arab population (roughly twice the size of the Jewish community) went to the orange.

The Jewish residents accepted the deal. The Palestinians, who saw the plan as an extension of a long-running Jewish attempt push them out of the land, fought it. The Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria all later declared war on Israel, as well (albeit not to defend the Palestinians).

Israeli forces defeated the Palestinian militias and Arab armies in a vicious conflict that turned 700,000 Palestinian civilians into refugees. The UN partition promised 56 percent of British Palestine for the Jewish state; by the end of the war, Israel possessed 77 percent — everything except the West Bank and the eastern quarter of Jerusalem (controlled by Jordan), as well as the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt). It left Israelis with a state, but not Palestinians.

How did Israel become a country in the first place? [emphasis mine]

[The Grand Nudger]

What on earth gave you the impression that I thought israel was "the weak guy"?  They;ve been handing everyone in the region their ass for some time now.  The shame is clearly unbearable.

Hell..you;re worried they;re coming for your browneye, like a big gay jewish boogeyman.

I don't think so. They didn't give their "ass" to anybody. Actually everybody was giving their ass to them.
You consider them to be the weak guy, because you want me -and Muslims- to give them an excuse and just remain silent for all the crimes they did, like a child slapping you while having a tantrum. The fact here is that these are grown up people who commit crimes against humanity, and it shouldn't be excused.

What on earth are you babbling about now....?  I just told you..in the post you quoted..that I consider israel to be far from weak..mostly because of how they beat the shit out of all comers. The six day war is literally referred to in textbooks on how to deliver an assbeating of biblical proportions.

You know...we (as in the west) actually did try to stop them from escaping europe to the middle east...but we just couldn;t stem the tide. We;ve been looking out for you lot for a long time, lol..for all the good it did us and you. Every single time yall are getting the shit beat out of you we show up to help.....but for whatever reason, it always goes to shit. The real irony of islamist revisionist history......is that the islamists have never had a better friend than the great satan. We went so far as to place an arms embargo on israel and prop up islamist states in every direction.......but it didn;t work..now did it?

[Angrboda]

Grand Vizier Talaat Pasha visited both Berlin, and Sofia, in September 1918, and came away with the understanding that the war was no longer winnable. With Germany likely seeking a separate peace, the Ottomans would be forced to as well. Grand Vizier Talaat convinced the other members of the ruling party that they must resign, as the Allies would impose far harsher terms if they thought the people who started the war were still in power. He also sought out the United States to see if he could surrender to them and gain the benefits of the Fourteen Points despite the Ottoman Empire and the United States not being at war; however, the Americans never responded, as they were waiting on British advice as to how to respond which never came. On 13 October, Talaat and the rest of his ministry resigned. Ahmed Izzet Pasha replaced Talaat as Grand Vizier.

Two days after taking office, Ahmed Izzet Pasha sent the captured British General Charles Vere Ferrers Townshend to the Allies to seek terms on an armistice. The British Cabinet were eager to negotiate a deal. British government interpreted that not only should Britain conduct the negotiations, but should conduct them alone. There may be a desire to cut the French out of territorial "spoils" promised to them in the Sykes-Picot agreement. Talaat (before resigning) had sent an emissary to the French as well, but that emissary had been slower to respond back. The British cabinet empowered Admiral Calthorpe to conduct the negotiations, and to explicitly exclude the French from them. The negotiations began on Sunday, 27 October on the HMS Agamemnon, a British battleship. The British refused to admit French Vice-Admiral Jean Amet, the senior French naval officer in the area, despite his desire to join; the Ottoman delegation, headed by Minister of Marine Affairs Rauf Bey.

Unknown to both sides, both sides were actually quite eager to sign a deal and willing to give up their objectives to do so. The British delegation had been given a list of 24 demands, but were told to concede on any of them except allowing the occupation of the forts on the Dardanelles as well as free passage through the Bosphorus; the British desired access to the Black Sea for the Rumanian front. Prime Minister David Lloyd George also desired to make a deal quickly before the United States could step in; according to the diary of Maurice Hankey:

   "[Lloyd George] was also very contemptuous of President Wilson and anxious to arrange the division of Empire between France, Italy, and G.B. before speaking to America. He also thought it would attract less attention to our enormous gains during the war if we swallowed our share of Empire now, and the German colonies later."

The Ottomans, for their part, believed the war to be lost and would have accepted almost any demands placed on them. As a result, the initial draft prepared by the British was accepted largely unchanged; the Ottomans did not know they could have pushed back on most of the clauses, and the British did not know they could have demanded even more.

Wikipedia || History of the Ottoman Empire during World War I [emphasis mine]

[WinterHold]

First of all, the U.S. is not Britain.  There is no "tip of the spear" and no American plans to invade the Middle East in order to harvest their resources.  And when we examine your own sources, even they refute you.

Early British political support for an increased Jewish presence in the region of Palestine was based upon geopolitical calculations. ... Such efforts were premature, and did not succeed; only 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine on the eve of the emergence of Zionism within the world's Jewish communities in the last two decades of the 19th century.

. . . . . .

Scope of the national home "in Palestine"

The statement that such a homeland would be found "in Palestine" rather than "of Palestine" was also deliberate.[xxiv] The proposed draft of the declaration contained in Rothschild's 12 July letter to Balfour referred to the principle "that Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people." In the final text, following Lord Milner's amendment, the word "reconstituted" was removed and the word "that" was replaced with "in".

This text thereby avoided committing the entirety of Palestine as the National Home of the Jewish people, resulting in controversy in future years over the intended scope. This was clarified by the 1922 Churchill White Paper, which wrote that "the terms of the declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded 'in Palestine.'"

Wikipedia || Balfour declaration [emphasis mine]

The U.S took the role of the British empire after WW2. That's basic when we read the history of the world, one that I doubt you're ever heard of.. history as it seems, begins in 2003 with you.
Back to bit I quoted. I think the point was "the British bias towards the Jewish state; and the engineering of the whole crisis of the Middle East as a consequence of the British imperialism". That pretty much is the word "Geopolitical".
I was talking about the British empire's geopolitical means, that made it resort to Biblical prophecies to drop a smart bomb in the ruins of the Ottoman empire. That is a "geopolitical" interest for the west in Palestine.
Jews exist in Palestine because Britain sold the land to Zionists as if it was a farm owned by the British crown. How what you quoted destroy my view is beyond me.
History spoke.

An examination of actual history shows that the Arabs and Palestinians were their own worst enemy, and got hoist on their own petard.  So if you have any evidence that America intends to invade the Middle East, then bring it.  Otherwise, shut up with your crazy, bigoted reinvention of history and fact.

Social and political developments in Europe convinced Jews they needed their own country, and their ancestral homeland seemed like the right place to establish it. European Jews — 90 percent of all Jews at the time — arrived at Zionism partly because of rising anti-Semitic persecution and partly because the Enlightenment introduced Jews to secular nationalism. Between 1896 and 1948, hundreds of thousands of Jews resettled from Europe to what was then British-controlled Palestine, including large numbers forced out of Europe during the Holocaust.

Many Arabs saw the influx of Jews as a European colonial movement, and the two peoples fought bitterly. The British couldn't control the violence, and in 1947 the United Nations voted to split the land into two countries. Almost all of the roughly 650,000 Jews went to the blue territory in the map to the right, and a majority of the Arab population (roughly twice the size of the Jewish community) went to the orange.

The Jewish residents accepted the deal. The Palestinians, who saw the plan as an extension of a long-running Jewish attempt push them out of the land, fought it. The Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria all later declared war on Israel, as well (albeit not to defend the Palestinians).

Israeli forces defeated the Palestinian militias and Arab armies in a vicious conflict that turned 700,000 Palestinian civilians into refugees. The UN partition promised 56 percent of British Palestine for the Jewish state; by the end of the war, Israel possessed 77 percent — everything except the West Bank and the eastern quarter of Jerusalem (controlled by Jordan), as well as the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt). It left Israelis with a state, but not Palestinians.

How did Israel become a country in the first place? [emphasis mine]

Afghanistan? Iraq (Desert Storm 1,2 and invasion of 2003)? the proxy war in Syria? the UAV strikes in Yemen?

What Palestine saw, was an invasion aided and supported by the British cannons. One thing for certain: everybody knew the disaster that would result from this. Britain had lots of land. Why did it choose Palestine?

Weren't the "Zionists" secular? they should've think wisely and leave politics away from religion. Why did they chose a biblical prophecy to be their goal? that's not pretty secular; that's pretty Jewish. Just like Hammas is Islamic.

[Anomalocaris]

Israel is divided. There is some people (I wouldn't say near half and I don't know percentage, but it's significant) there that want Palestinians to return and that Israel accepts them back and they live in harmony, and that Israel becomes not a Jewish state, but a democratic one, that accepts diversity including Palestinians.

That's the solution I hope for.

Let's give these people a voice.

Your view of the nature of men is as sadly naive as your view of reality. Yet the irony is I undoubted still have a higher opinion of men than you do.

[Angrboda]

First of all, the U.S. is not Britain.  There is no "tip of the spear" and no American plans to invade the Middle East in order to harvest their resources.  And when we examine your own sources, even they refute you.

The U.S took the role of the British empire after WW2. That's basic when we read the history of the world, one that I doubt you're ever heard of.. history as it seems, begins in 2003 with you.
Back to bit I quoted. I think the point was "the British bias towards the Jewish state; and the engineering of the whole crisis of the Middle East as a consequence of the British imperialism". That pretty much is the word "Geopolitical".
I was talking about the British empire's geopolitical means, that made it resort to Biblical prophecies to drop a smart bomb in the ruins of the Ottoman empire. That is a "geopolitical" interest for the west in Palestine.
Jews exist in Palestine because Britain sold the land to Zionists as if it was a farm owned by the British crown. How what you quoted destroy my view is beyond me.
History spoke.

"All you whitey look the same to me."



Sorry, Atlas, that's not how it works. Whatever the truth about the Balfour agreement, the U.S. was not a party to that agreement, so your previous crap about it is not any kind of support for your claim that Israel is any kind of "tip of the spear" for U.S. interests in the region, least of which for any crazy talk about the U.S. wanting to make the Middle East the latest American bread basket. Maybe if the Ottomans hadn't wanted their country to be carved up like a piece of meat, they shouldn't have thrown in with the likes of Germany. So, despite your bullshit narrative, we see that the Arab situation in the Middle East is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass as it has to do with Britain and "the joos."

An examination of actual history shows that the Arabs and Palestinians were their own worst enemy, and got hoist on their own petard.  So if you have any evidence that America intends to invade the Middle East, then bring it.  Otherwise, shut up with your crazy, bigoted reinvention of history and fact.

Afghanistan?

The majority of Afghans supported the American invasion of their country. During the initial invasion, US and UK forces bombed al-Qaeda training camps. The United States began working with the Northern Alliance to remove the Taliban from power.

Wikipedia || Afghanistan

Iraq (Desert Storm 1,2 and invasion of 2003)?

On the morning of 18 December 2011, the final contingent of US troops to be withdrawn ceremonially exited over the border to Kuwait.

Wikipedia || Iraq

You do realize of course that occupying a country actually requires, you know, occupying the country?

the proxy war in Syria? the UAV strikes in Yemen?

You're just getting more and more ridiculous. Is there no event in history that you won't spin to serve your prejudice and bigotry?

What Palestine saw, was an invasion aided and supported by the British cannons. One thing for certain: everybody knew the disaster that would result from this. Britain had lots of land. Why did it choose Palestine?

Weren't the "Zionists" secular? they should've think wisely and leave politics away from religion. Why did they chose a biblical prophecy to be their goal? that's not pretty secular; that's pretty Jewish. Just like Hammas is Islamic.

The Ottoman Empire was rife with anti-semitic nationalism long before the British got there. Why did it choose Palestine? Maybe because it was their ancestral homeland until a bunch of Babylonian fucks evicted them from it. And again, an actual reading of history shows that it wasn't so much any effort of the British that brought the Jews to Israel, but rather European persecution, by, among others, the Nazis. The record shows that the British even attempted to limit Jewish migration to the region.

The Third (1919–23) and Fourth Aliyahs (1924–29) brought an additional 100,000 Jews to Palestine. The rise of Nazism and the increasing persecution of Jews in 1930s Europe led to the Fifth Aliyah, with an influx of a quarter of a million Jews. This was a major cause of the Arab revolt of 1936–39 during which the British Mandate authorities alongside the Zionist militias of Haganah and Irgun killed 5,032 Arabs and wounded 14,760, resulting in over ten percent of the adult male Palestinian Arab population killed, wounded, imprisoned or exiled. The British introduced restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine with the White Paper of 1939. With countries around the world turning away Jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust, a clandestine movement known as Aliyah Bet was organized to bring Jews to Palestine. By the end of World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine had increased to 33% of the total population.

Wikipedia || Israel

So, no, history doesn't support your claim that the U.S. is using Israel as a spearhead for eventual invasion. That's just your crazy reinterpretation of history.

On 29 November 1947, the General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (II) recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union. ... The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition. On the following day, 1 December 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab gangs began attacking Jewish targets. The Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but in early April 1948 moved onto the offensive. The Arab Palestinian economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled.

Wikipedia || Israel

Once again, we see that the Palestinian problem is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass than any fault of Britain, and most assuredly not the fault of the United States.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and yet we keep showing up, taking fire from frenemies every single time.  It;s almost as of somebody is fucking with these peoples education.  Lord knows why, I guess we;ll never know..how could anyone know?

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