RE: Atheist VS Naturalist - the latter sounds more appealing to me...
June 5, 2020 at 7:07 am
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2020 at 7:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
-and what about the aliens further up the scale than those aliens?
Our supernatural is alien 1 natural, but whatever they don't know, their supernatural, is just alien 2 natural....and whatever they don't know is...
Natural, supernatural, meganatural.....
It seems as though we're incapable of defining the supernatural as anything other than a cascading description of relative ignorance. There's nothing fundamentally different about the objects in the sets - the only thing that changes is the level of knowledge or technical ability of a given observer. Or, we could be just a tad bit more honest in our definitions, and concede that the supernatural is and has always meant ghosts, pixies, goblins, curses, and innumerable mysterious forces believed to effect human lives. Fundamentally different from the natural world and other things in the natural world, a requirement of needing some second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term to describe them.
I'm sure that someone will pop up to say that the above describes the supernatural as shit that turned out to be nonexistent, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Just because the proponents of the supernatural were wrong, doesn't mean that this wasn't what they were discussing, what they believed. Being in error is not equivalent with incoherence. That contention is just as much a doomed attempt at posturing as any of bels incompetent definitions.
The supernatural has nothing to do with what we don't or can't know and is coherent as a concept. It's an explicit claim to knowledge of those things x. A cognitive proposition that can be true or false, and is false.
Our supernatural is alien 1 natural, but whatever they don't know, their supernatural, is just alien 2 natural....and whatever they don't know is...
Natural, supernatural, meganatural.....
It seems as though we're incapable of defining the supernatural as anything other than a cascading description of relative ignorance. There's nothing fundamentally different about the objects in the sets - the only thing that changes is the level of knowledge or technical ability of a given observer. Or, we could be just a tad bit more honest in our definitions, and concede that the supernatural is and has always meant ghosts, pixies, goblins, curses, and innumerable mysterious forces believed to effect human lives. Fundamentally different from the natural world and other things in the natural world, a requirement of needing some second (or third, or fourth, or fifth) term to describe them.
I'm sure that someone will pop up to say that the above describes the supernatural as shit that turned out to be nonexistent, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Just because the proponents of the supernatural were wrong, doesn't mean that this wasn't what they were discussing, what they believed. Being in error is not equivalent with incoherence. That contention is just as much a doomed attempt at posturing as any of bels incompetent definitions.
The supernatural has nothing to do with what we don't or can't know and is coherent as a concept. It's an explicit claim to knowledge of those things x. A cognitive proposition that can be true or false, and is false.
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