(July 21, 2020 at 8:17 am)ignoramus Wrote:(July 21, 2020 at 5:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The existence of God is an open question (God may or may not exist).
The existence of diamond rain, black holes and pulsars are not open questions (the phenomena exist). Therefore, the following statements are equally valid:
1. In a universe where God exists, diamond rain, black holes and pulsars would exist.
2. In a universe where God does not exist, diamond rain, black holes and pulsars would exist.
We know these statements to be valid because the physical phenomena exist irrespective of whether God exists. Therefore, physical phenomena cannot be used as evidence for the existence or non-existence of God.
Put THAT in your logic pipe and smoke it.
Boru
Can we agree at least that we are living in only one type of universe? ie: no partial god universe? ie: either there is a god or there isn't.
If we agree to that then we can't possibly know what the "other" universe could ever be like. yes?
Therefore we can't make positive claims for both possibilities, only one, but we don't know which one. We may never know which one.
This reminds me a bit of Hume's "grue" thought experiment.
I'll try again.
We live in a universe that has black holes in it. This universe may or may not have a God. Therefore, the universe we're in has black holes, whether or not God exists. This means it is senseless to point to black holes (or any other physical phenomena) and claim that they are evidence for the existence or non-existence of God.
On re-reading my earlier post, I realize I should have said 'this universe' instead of 'a universe' - that was sloppy of me. I didn't intend to drag other universes into the argument.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
