RE: Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
July 31, 2020 at 1:35 am
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2020 at 1:49 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The ideas that pre christians and proto christians had, or at least the set that you are enamored with, didn't originate with christians of any kind. They existed before there were pre christians, or proto christians, and were stamped out as... essentially... backsliding pagan heresy. They exist today, wholly outside of christianity, as they always have. That's the power and value of syncretism.
I'm not sure in what way atheists had it better, but it's interesting to note that the proto christians were called atheists by their detractors - and it's unlikely that they meant that as a term of endearment. That's the second time you've quoted origen. You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that he said that, but also believed in a literal reading of genesis, as before. He could see no other way that christianity could be true, declaring it an essential christian belief.
Please listen to what your own example had to say on the subject. It simply isn't what you imagined it to be. If origen is an example of an ancient with wisdom, an intelligent archaic, but literalism and moderns are silly...you might have to split a baby in half...because origen was as silly as silly can be with biblical literalism taught out of fundie pulpits today- but he makes a compelling case in it's own right, I assume he might have been aware, lol.
How could christianity be true without that literal reading? The short and inarguable answer, is that it couldn't. The christ myth requires the creation and fall myth. It's premised on them, and must presuppose their truth to assert it's own. This, ultimately, was how gnostics were kicked out of the group. They very accurately weren't christian. They didn't believe in the self identifying myth - they had their own.
I'm not sure in what way atheists had it better, but it's interesting to note that the proto christians were called atheists by their detractors - and it's unlikely that they meant that as a term of endearment. That's the second time you've quoted origen. You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that he said that, but also believed in a literal reading of genesis, as before. He could see no other way that christianity could be true, declaring it an essential christian belief.
Please listen to what your own example had to say on the subject. It simply isn't what you imagined it to be. If origen is an example of an ancient with wisdom, an intelligent archaic, but literalism and moderns are silly...you might have to split a baby in half...because origen was as silly as silly can be with biblical literalism taught out of fundie pulpits today- but he makes a compelling case in it's own right, I assume he might have been aware, lol.
How could christianity be true without that literal reading? The short and inarguable answer, is that it couldn't. The christ myth requires the creation and fall myth. It's premised on them, and must presuppose their truth to assert it's own. This, ultimately, was how gnostics were kicked out of the group. They very accurately weren't christian. They didn't believe in the self identifying myth - they had their own.
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