How far reaching are God's powers?

[MilesAbbott81]

A god's gonna do whatever gods do, but that doesn't answer the question of how a moral incompetent can possess moral responsibilities

You know what is interesting about this is that this is all supposedly hypothetical for you. You probably believe that you DO have moral responsibilities (correct me if I'm wrong), but now that I have given you an "out" you insist that you have none.

And I realize you aren't "actually" insisting that, I'm simply asking if the knowledge that you have no control changes how you feel about the evils you've committed. Should it?

If learning from evil were a good thing to do...and I'm incapable of good....

You're clearly ignoring what I've written. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean God hasn't given you the grace to do good at times, including learning from your evil ways.

That's exactly what it means - you're merely asserting that god satisfies this debt - which is all well and good..but how can we have moral debts, if we're morally incompetent?

That's like saying "how can I stink, if I stink?" If you're morally incompetent then you automatically are going to accrue moral debt. Your problem is the same as all sinners have: you refuse to take full responsibility for your own actions. Much easier to blame God. Not that I'm condemning you for it...we've all done it or will do it at some point.

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OFC.  If I know that something is evil and I choose it, I'm responsible.  We see two distinct moral signifiers that convince us both that we are responsible here.  I knew, and I chose.  Let's explore that. 

If properly recognizing good from evil were good, then I would be incapable.  I couldn't know if knowing were good.  Can I choose?  No, I'm incapable of good.  

This is why I asked you if you were concerned about the issues that our lack of present free will would cause.  We're missing things that we normally refer to in order to establish, ascertain, assign, blame, or otherwise declare desert.

In the absence of those things, how do we do that?  How do you?  Is this an accurate representation of your experience...?.  Do you find yourself cognizant of the difference between good and evil, in a fair way, incapable of good?

Who cares about god, full stop.  How can I express moral outrage -or- moral empathy if I lack moral agency?  You have a friendly audience for this one, with me.  I say take the god man down off the cross for whatever fraction of a millisecond it took to pay for my profligate sins.  It won't work, and I wouldn't kill the better man to pay my parking tickets anyway.

You keep repeating this "if I'm incapable of doing good" mantra. As I just mentioned in my last post, I never said God hasn't given you to do good. You are simply incapable of doing good absent His grace. He gets all the credit for the good, you get all the credit for the evil, because the former isn't in your nature, but the latter is.

And Christ's suffering on your account doesn't equal some millisecond. You're responsible for the whole thing. As I've mentioned, since we all suffer and die on an individual level, then Christ suffered and died for us on an individual level.

I'm not sure there is any point in further argument.

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Commiting sin causes evil?

Right, I've grokked that.

My question is thus. Person 'A' commits sin (Maybe one, maybe a dozen or more). How does the sin move from person 'A' to person 'B' and thence cause cancer (As the conversation is putting it).

Also... does that then imply that doing a sin then has the sin some how moving on and causing a bad thing such as a tidal wave to happen?

If so, how?

EDIT: I completly missed your line of, "Cancer (and viruses) are simply a physical expression of the spiritual reality."

Cool! What is a spiritual reality? How does it interact with us? How do we interact with it? WHat might we use to better detect such a thing?

Not at work.

I'm really unsure if you are being serious or deliberately thick. "Sin" on its own does nothing. God determines the consequences of all committed sin. God causes the cancer, because of the sin. This is truly uncomplicated.