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[Serious] Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem
(February 11, 2021 at 11:44 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(February 10, 2021 at 6:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We cant, actually.  It's a myth that the US has no laws which apply to incitement or to the things that your government would call hate speech.  We just don't call them that.  Additionally, as in your country, we have a pretty high bar for successful prosecution on those counts.  It's almost never incitement, it's almost never sedition - until it is.  None of our free speech protects a person when they cross that threshold.

Do you have links so I can see what you mean?

Sure.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/492

That's Brandenburg v Ohio.  The supreme court sided with Brandenburg because it failed what we now call the Brandenburg test.  Speech can be prohibited if it's directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to do so. In describing how and why a kkk leader's rights had been abrogated, the court circumscribed what speech could be (not is or will be, could be) prohibited. Our system has space to dial itself up and down on speech, what it will, wont, or will tacitly fail to, prohibit or protect.

You can see how there are endless circumstances which would fail to meet the criteria - a person may not intend to say something that is likely to produce.  A person may intend something that is unlikely to produce.  A person may say something that was intended and did produce - but would be unlikely to do so with the group assembled.  A historical dunce just asking questions.  A nut on the street corner.  A presenter describing the facts of the first two cases to academia or an audience.  

TBT the last bit is the most productive for extremism.  Presenting itself as a collection of facts that are not intended to cause lawless action.  Just true, as a matter of reality which must be acknowledged.  I want to point out that while libs bicker about the legal fiction of rights that we maintain at great expense and effort - extremists are declaring something about the nature of reality.

Canada is more permissive than we are on this count, a departure from the usual state of affairs.  You'll notice that there's no provision for the truth of the proposition in our response.  In Canada, a person can defend themselves absolutely by demonstrating the truth of their statements- and isn't that exactly wat the extremists are really arguing for?  Here, we don't give a shit about that.  It could be true that the subhuman takers are fucking like rabbits and destroying our society and that something has to be done about them and that something has to be violent.  Absolutely true....and we're still not empowered to do so, or incite others to do so.

Ultimately, as so much else does - it comes down to motive.  That's our "hatred".
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Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - January 16, 2021 at 12:31 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Deesse23 - January 16, 2021 at 12:52 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by brewer - January 16, 2021 at 1:09 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - January 16, 2021 at 1:47 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - January 16, 2021 at 5:35 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Brian37 - January 16, 2021 at 7:56 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Deesse23 - January 17, 2021 at 3:44 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Deesse23 - January 17, 2021 at 7:05 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Belacqua - January 17, 2021 at 6:12 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Deesse23 - January 22, 2021 at 5:52 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by no one - January 22, 2021 at 8:34 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Belacqua - February 4, 2021 at 1:16 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 4, 2021 at 8:25 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 4, 2021 at 10:17 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 4, 2021 at 11:15 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 5, 2021 at 10:15 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Fake Messiah - February 5, 2021 at 10:57 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 6, 2021 at 2:58 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Brian37 - February 4, 2021 at 8:26 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Fake Messiah - February 5, 2021 at 12:58 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Angrboda - February 5, 2021 at 12:48 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 6, 2021 at 12:16 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Fake Messiah - February 6, 2021 at 12:57 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 7, 2021 at 12:09 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Fake Messiah - February 6, 2021 at 11:32 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by WinterHold - February 7, 2021 at 4:39 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Deesse23 - February 10, 2021 at 7:44 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by HappySkeptic - February 11, 2021 at 7:27 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by HappySkeptic - February 11, 2021 at 8:31 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2021 at 9:19 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by Foxaèr - February 13, 2021 at 10:00 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by HappySkeptic - February 16, 2021 at 3:14 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by HappySkeptic - February 17, 2021 at 11:50 am
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by HappySkeptic - February 17, 2021 at 5:02 pm
RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem - by HappySkeptic - February 17, 2021 at 6:22 pm

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