At work.
1) I'm glad your personal search was so self convincing.
2) Perhapse try a different version of the Bible? One more presented for beginners?
3) Yes. This is probably true(-ish) for every one as our knowledge and understanding of reality is constantly growing/expanding.
4) What you perceive of reality you've already pointed out in (3) could be wrong or subject to change. That you seem incredulous of reality simply reflects upon your way of thinking.
5) Congratulations. I'm not an 'Atheist' either.
I've previously explained my position as a 'Non-theist'.
It's great that you believe. I see nothing to indicate the supernatural exists.
6) If a criminal goes unpublished before they die. (And we're getting into a whole other can of worms about the ethics of 'Justice' etc) then that is the end if things for them. they are deceased. They are an expired criminal. You might want to nail them back onto ths pearch but they've otherwise gone off to pushin' up daisies.
Various other Religions have been expressing the whole "Days of resurrection/doom" for quite some time now. Do you actually have a better and more accurate 'Due date' on offer for an actual event?
7) This is a variation on 'Pascal's wager'. For which the issue of most importance is [HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND ONLY DIETY?]
* Of note. If there is an actual, real 'Heaven' and 'Hell' why can't we detect/find such places?
8) It is the Atheist/Non-theist who must prove there isn't a diety? Really? Is this how you think it works?
Okay then, here's your revelation, I am actually the Deific-Cthuhlu. Ta-DAA!
9) Your incredulity about the working of reality is not a good selling point. Humanity has a reasonably good grasp on physics, chemistry, biology et.al to competently map out how everything works and is interconnected. Please point to the 'Impossible god bit'. Cheers.
10) No one actually claims this.
11) Our 'Laws' are just descriptions of what we experience etc. Hence why science is constantly exploring new ways to test what we think we know. Hence, for example, the LIGO gravity wave detector machine/equipment to actually measure waves in/of gravity.
The biology of life is far from 'Perfect' hence cancer and various parasites along with diseases. Loom up plant sex. Now there is a messy and complicated amount of stuff.
12) Again your incredulity and failed 'Watch maker' analogy does nothing for your position. Plus, really? You insist the burden is on the 'Denier'? Okay then, again I confirm I am the great Deific-Cthuhlu! Ta-DAA!
Finally, I find Dr Naik to be entertaining. Demonstrably wrong on a lot of things but entertaining none the less.
Cheers.
(March 17, 2022 at 7:07 am)akay Wrote: 1) Once convinced that God exists I did not feel the need to look for books other than the quran, since I already knew him and I found there the truths of the prophecies .
2) For the Bible we were given a while one; out of curiosity I started to read it but full of awkwardness in the style of the stories ... so I could not go far; I like to reread it and I find it difficult to understand it because of that;
3)Ok i take as a starting point that everything i have learned so far may be wrong.
4)What explains to me the existence of what surrounds me with all its complexity and so much "specialization" and laws?
5)I am not an atheist
I believe in the existence of God
For example
6)If the criminal escaped punishment after killing people
If the criminal is not punished in this world
God punishes him on the day of resurrection
7)Don't lose anything if you believe in God
You will lose everything if you don't
surprised in the afterlife
God is there
Heaven and hell are there too
There is no other chance
The opportunity is there
Choose your choice
8)It is the atheists who must prove that God does not exist and not the other way around.
9)If I say that a castle well built in the smallest detail well decorated has come like this who will believe me? who will believe that it was made by pure chance? it's against common sense.
10)And it is the one who claims that it is due to pure chance who must prove his statements not to the contrary
11)A world with laws that we are always trying to discover and are such perfect creatures the work of chance? the human body with all the glands working in harmony? the difference in sex? Has the human being developed on its own to the point of "deciding" to create a man and a woman with an X chromosome and a Y to have the same number of chromosomes in the newborn?
12)If you tell me that a well-made castle is the work of chance, it's up to you to explain to me how since it is contrary to common sense.
The burden of proof is on the one who denies something in accordance with common sense.
how the bricks were placed by pure chance according to a well-made architecture
...
and the decoration with all its finesse, how it formed
Scientific Proof for an Atheist on Existence of God - by Dr Zakir Naik youtube
1) I'm glad your personal search was so self convincing.
2) Perhapse try a different version of the Bible? One more presented for beginners?
3) Yes. This is probably true(-ish) for every one as our knowledge and understanding of reality is constantly growing/expanding.
4) What you perceive of reality you've already pointed out in (3) could be wrong or subject to change. That you seem incredulous of reality simply reflects upon your way of thinking.
5) Congratulations. I'm not an 'Atheist' either.
I've previously explained my position as a 'Non-theist'.
It's great that you believe. I see nothing to indicate the supernatural exists.
6) If a criminal goes unpublished before they die. (And we're getting into a whole other can of worms about the ethics of 'Justice' etc) then that is the end if things for them. they are deceased. They are an expired criminal. You might want to nail them back onto ths pearch but they've otherwise gone off to pushin' up daisies.
Various other Religions have been expressing the whole "Days of resurrection/doom" for quite some time now. Do you actually have a better and more accurate 'Due date' on offer for an actual event?
7) This is a variation on 'Pascal's wager'. For which the issue of most importance is [HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND ONLY DIETY?]
* Of note. If there is an actual, real 'Heaven' and 'Hell' why can't we detect/find such places?
8) It is the Atheist/Non-theist who must prove there isn't a diety? Really? Is this how you think it works?
Okay then, here's your revelation, I am actually the Deific-Cthuhlu. Ta-DAA!
9) Your incredulity about the working of reality is not a good selling point. Humanity has a reasonably good grasp on physics, chemistry, biology et.al to competently map out how everything works and is interconnected. Please point to the 'Impossible god bit'. Cheers.
10) No one actually claims this.
11) Our 'Laws' are just descriptions of what we experience etc. Hence why science is constantly exploring new ways to test what we think we know. Hence, for example, the LIGO gravity wave detector machine/equipment to actually measure waves in/of gravity.
The biology of life is far from 'Perfect' hence cancer and various parasites along with diseases. Loom up plant sex. Now there is a messy and complicated amount of stuff.
12) Again your incredulity and failed 'Watch maker' analogy does nothing for your position. Plus, really? You insist the burden is on the 'Denier'? Okay then, again I confirm I am the great Deific-Cthuhlu! Ta-DAA!
Finally, I find Dr Naik to be entertaining. Demonstrably wrong on a lot of things but entertaining none the less.
Cheers.
