Lets keep Our Wars at Home

[Cinjin]

I'm an uninvolved outsider,and really don't care a whole lot about US domestic issues, unless they effect my country.

Seems to me the arguments in this thread about open borders is a strawman. The murders mentioned seem to be about the drug cartels (professional criminals) getting their panties in a bunch. I don't see what that has to with the poor bastards sneaking across the borders hoping for a better life.

I do not support open borders between countries*,but I do support realistic and humane policies. Seems to be hard balance,and one the US has not yet mastered. (neither has Australia)

*the impression I get is the open border policy in the EU has been an unmitigated disaster.

I will attempt to only address this once since I am inadvertently at fault in the strawman issue. What I meant in my original post which was clear in my mind but not at all on the page, is that it is my belief that if we (the US govenrment) had properly secured the southern border years ago when we should have - we would have been able to quash both issues ... well at least quell them to a manageable level.
#1 We would have had a much stronger show of power at the border and been MUCH better equipped to handle the new insurgance of the drug cartels bringing war to our backdoor. And #2, this additional security would have then and now helped to dissuade illegals from walking into our country uninvited. Since our borders were not given the proper attention - an already weak system became a haven for criminals and the like. Thus, my opinion to bring our soldiers back home and defend the homeland.

I guess in the end, it's a two part grievance on my part and the lack of proper border control helped to exacerbate both.

As for your concern for everyone having the right to a better life. I'm all for everyone on earth having a better life, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, and America isn't the one holding the Mexican people down. Like most countries ... that would be their own government.
Let me be very very clear. I don't want anyone shot and killed simply for trying to find that better life. But they DO have to be apprehended and sent home.

As for the drug cartels ... thats who I was originally talking about. Imagine how quickly we could get rid of the criminal element if we treated them like a a mini terrorist army. I don't want our military out sticking its nose in other countries' business. If we're going to make war - lets at LEAST fight at home against an enemy that is actually ours and not somebody elses.