RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
May 6, 2011 at 1:10 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2011 at 2:56 pm by Thor.)
(May 6, 2011 at 11:18 am)alemcodon Wrote: I cant see how anyone could possibly question Jesus’s existence,
Uh... because there is NO EVIDENCE that he was a real person.
Quote:the bibles
Yeah, he's a central figure in the Babble. So what? We don't know who wrote the Babble and the accounts of Jesus were written DECADES after he supposedly died. And we don't even have the original writings. All we have is copies of copies.
Quote:the millions of books that were written,
"Millions"? In any case, so what? All books written about Jesus base their conclusions on the Babble, which is a poor source since none of the authors of the Babble ever claim to have met an earthly Jesus. Quite simply, there is NO primary source for information regarding this character.
Quote:the records that were kept still remain to this day, just not the their original format.
And what records would these be? Do you have any record or document detailing an instance where the Romans executed a Jewish preacher named Jesus? Do you have any writings from historians who were witnesses to Jesus?
Quote:You could question the miracles, that’s fair enough, or question the crucifixion and the resurrection yes, but his existence, there shouldn’t be any doubt.
Loads of doubt. Of course, believers would never acknowledge this. If you question the existence of your godboy, your entire religion comes crashing down.
Quote:1billion people wouldn’t be following a fictional character
Are you kidding? Do you believe Allah is real? Because Islam has about a billion followers. Not to mention all the gods that millions have followed throughout history.
Quote:and a fictional character would not be one of the, if not THE most influential person ever to grace this earth.
What has Jesus done? Nothing. All we have are unsubstantiated stories of what he supposedly did and what he supposedly said. Stories promoted by believers. Not to mention all the human suffering Jesus could have stopped and prevented if he simply said that slavery was immoral and an abomination. But he never even implied such a thing. Instead, he gave us guidelines about beating slaves. What a guy!
Quote:Athiests are fixed on asking for ‘Evidence’ in order to prove gods/jesus existence
Yeah, we're funny that way.
Quote:yet nearly everything you believe yourself doesn’t have any evidence to support it, it all depende on how you perceive evidence.
What? This makes no sense whatsoever.
Quote:To you guys, an apes skull from 1million years ago is evidence of ape-human evolution, which if looked at logically, is a much further stretch for the evidence then that of the bible and jesus.
Wrong. We have other evidence that shows how the million year old skull connects to modern humans and apes. You have nothing that confirms Jesus actually lived.
Quote:It would be almost impossible to prove Jesus, or moses existence physically as you request, since your going back pretty far in history for any organic material to be preserved, most buildings from those days dnt stand today, everythings been blown up and rebuilt hundreds of times over since then.
We know about real people who lived well before Jesus supposedly lived.
Quote:Ie according to professor hawkings, IF the expansion rate of the universe after the big bang (or beginning of time) had varied by 0.00000000000000000001% then stars could not form. Too slow and the universe would cave in on itself too fast and matter would have scattered everywhere, don’t forget gravity is a VERY week force.
So what?
Quote:Mathematically and scientifically this is not an act of a random explosion, it IS a controlled explosion, but controlled by who?
Begging the question. You are assuming someone "controlled" the Big Bang.
Quote:You believe intelligence and life somehow manifested itself into innate matter, the earyth was made of rocks, water, and metals, how could these molecules have interacted that caused them to intelligently think for themselves and form more complex molecules which can perform specific tasks.
Where have any of us claimed that molecules "intelligently" could think for themselves?
Quote:Can any atheists in here prove to me or show me evidence of how dead matter could suddenly start forming ‘living’ beings and possess intelligence?
Nope. And a few hundred years ago we couldn't have explained what causes the sun to rise and set, what causes rain, disease, the tides, etc, etc.... And your point is.....?
Quote:The fantasy scenarios you guys believe in is far more fictional and absurd than ANY religion.
Yes, evolution is far more ridiculous than a man riding a winged horse up to heaven, a virgin birth, a man healing the sick with a touch of his hand, walking on water and rising up from the dead.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?