Prayer ... SERIOUSLY?!

[Shell B]

You are severely missing the point. Atheists do not believe in any judgment after their death. It is this belief that drove those to commit their atrocities. If a person believes they can do whatever they want that is exactly what many will do. Stalin didn’t believe he’d ever be held accountable for his actions, which was a direct result of his atheism. No you guys don’t run around telling people to commit genocide, but you also have no basis to tell them not to and that is what is scary.

The point that you are missing is that many, many atheists have other beliefs apart from a lack of belief in god. I am positive that there are more of us who do not believe in murdering innocents than there are who do. Furthermore, we do have a basis to refrain from committing genocide. It is called compassion. Atheists have feelings.

Talk about trying to have it both ways, and then you turn around and say the people in the inquisition were Christians. A Christian by definition is someone who believes Christ was the Messiah and follow his teachings.

It all depends on how they interpret the Bible, Stat. I could do all kinds of things and then find precedence for it in the "Messiah's" teachings. The people in the Inquisitions were Christians. They were killing witches, like the Bible told them to.

So where did Christ say to do those sorts of things? I can claim I am a Muslim and do all sorts of things, but without actually ascribing to the same beliefs as Muslims I am not really one now am I?

They did ascribe to the beliefs set forth in the bible. You would have been better off using the Crusades as an example. The Inquisitions were fully supported by the Bible and the church, which is supposedly run by men chosen by god himself.

Oh wow, so wearing a cross makes you a Christian now does it? Ozzy wears one, is he a Christian?

Wearing a cross and running around saying shit like, "God wills it." and praying does make you a fucking Christian, actually. People who do not believe in Christ don't do that. Ozzy might be Christian. I know he used to be.

Again, a Christian is someone who believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ, where did Jesus teach to kill Muslims? Until you can point me to that, your argument is rather ridiculous.

Did Jesus teach you to wipe front to back? No? Well, I guess those who do are not Christians.

I figured you’d whine about that even though you never seem to whine when the atheists on here cite Wikipedia which of course is also not a scholarly source.

Whining, huh? *sigh* Actually, I have never been in a debate with an atheist here and asked them for a source. If I had and they had used Wikipedia, I would have objected. However, Wikipedia still contains better facts than the largely unedited answers.com. It is a completely unreliable and unacceptable source.

The Cambodian Genocide Group has the exact same figure, 1.7 million people. They are considered the foremost expert on what happened over there so I think my argument still stands.

Your argument has one leg. Give me a link to the Cambodian Genocide Group and a link to a trustworthy source on the number of people killed in the Inquisitions and the Crusades. I believe your assertion was that more people died in one day in Cambodia than in all of the Inquisitions and all of the Crusades combined. Although, you did fail to note that there were more than one of the two latter events.

You seem to forget that dropping those bombs completely prevented a land invasion which would have killed many more men, women, and children.

That is an assumption. While I agree that action was needed in Japan and I am supportive of my country, you still have no way of knowing that Japan would have launched a land invasion. In fact, I sincerely doubt they would have. You know, the very reason they attacked the U.S. is because they were losing resources from the U.S. because the U.S. refused to provide them unless Japan would leave China. Japan did not have the fucking resources to launch a land invasion. That is why they sent those ridiculous bomb balloons to the U.S. The U.S. wanted Japan because the could not continue fighting in the Pacific without a better base of operations. It had to end or we would not have been able to sustain fighting in the region, which would have been an epic failure.

Millions of soviet soldiers died when Germany invaded, I am glad we prevented that from happening to our troops.

Haha, you are failing to factor in the difference in terrain and resources. Furthermore, Germany was not about to invade the United States. The fear of invasion came from the Pacific Front, not the European Front.

It’s not that I didn’t like your answer; in fact it was the answer I expected.

Good for you.

I never said we have a monopoly on being good, I said we have the only logical basis for doing so because we have an inerrant law giver.

You have a celestial, non-existent Aesop, dude.

I love you Shell, but c’mon :-D

Awkward . . .