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are kinda weird, but as long as they're not too flagrant about it - I don't mind.
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are living a life of sin and are an abomination according to the written words of my god.
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are normal people who deserve all the rights I afford myself.
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Pray Away the Gay
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RE: Pray Away the Gay
A bit of personal experience that I hope sheds some light on this subject:

First, I can testify that human sexuality is not this black-and-white, gay-or-straight dichotomy that we seem to think it is in this Islamo-Christian influenced culture of ours. My sexuality, if it needs classification, could be best described as mostly-heterosexual-bisexual. Because human sexuality is shades of bisexual gray, I speculate that when this quack therapy or "praying the gay away" "works" it's either because of repressed sexuality or they got a bisexual of some degree, enough to effectively function in a het relationship.

Also, while Rayaan is correct that the environment, experience or even human will can rewire the brain, my experience is that human sexuality is hardwired beyond such minor changes. First of all, if anything our society goes to great lengths to discourage same-gender affections. I kept my attractions to the same gender so well supressed that even I wasn't consciously aware of them, not for religious reasons (I was raised agnostic) but social reasons alone. For example, I made use of what I now call the lust-into-envy formula to rationalize away any time I spent admiring someone of the same gender.

Secondly, anti-gay quacks have speculated that psychological trauma can trigger homosexual urges but nothing of what they describe is even remotely in my background. I came from a stable family without any divorce or significant problems with my parents' marriage. I had a great relationship with both parents. I suffered no abuse from anyone, either growing up or afterwords. Aside from coming of age in the red-state 80s anti-gay environment, nothing stopped me from developing normally.

I'm really having trouble following what Tack is trying to say here. Tack, can you clarify what you mean by choosing to be gay against one's true nature?
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Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 12:41 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 7, 2011 at 1:05 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Godschild - June 7, 2011 at 1:09 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 1:14 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Godschild - June 7, 2011 at 3:40 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 4:55 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by frankiej - June 7, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Godschild - June 7, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by frankiej - June 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Godschild - June 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 7, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by frankiej - June 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 7, 2011 at 4:08 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 5:27 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 7, 2011 at 1:19 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 1:30 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Anymouse - June 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by bbrettle - June 7, 2011 at 1:51 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 1:54 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by bbrettle - June 7, 2011 at 1:59 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Violet - June 7, 2011 at 2:15 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 7, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 7, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by bbrettle - June 7, 2011 at 3:44 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 7, 2011 at 3:46 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 7, 2011 at 5:27 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 7, 2011 at 1:59 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by DeistPaladin - June 7, 2011 at 8:43 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 7, 2011 at 2:42 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by SleepingDemon - June 7, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Anymouse - June 7, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Anymouse - June 7, 2011 at 10:04 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 7, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 7, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 12:01 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 1:01 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 8, 2011 at 1:27 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 8, 2011 at 2:10 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 8, 2011 at 4:22 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 8, 2011 at 11:48 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 12:35 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 12:43 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Chido-Wan Kenobi - June 8, 2011 at 1:12 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 3:25 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 8, 2011 at 3:55 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 8, 2011 at 9:10 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by JohnDG - June 8, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 8:26 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 8, 2011 at 9:03 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 9:15 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by aidoism - June 8, 2011 at 10:43 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 11:24 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 9, 2011 at 12:59 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 9, 2011 at 3:09 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 9, 2011 at 10:43 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 9, 2011 at 12:36 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Rayaan - June 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 9, 2011 at 2:42 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Eternity - June 9, 2011 at 3:11 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by downbeatplumb - June 9, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by ElChuckadoro - June 9, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by ElChuckadoro - June 9, 2011 at 3:42 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 9, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by ElChuckadoro - June 9, 2011 at 3:55 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 10, 2011 at 4:48 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Darwinian - June 10, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Ashendant - June 10, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 10, 2011 at 5:46 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by frankiej - June 10, 2011 at 1:14 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 10, 2011 at 4:09 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2011 at 9:09 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 10, 2011 at 4:17 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by reverendjeremiah - June 10, 2011 at 4:43 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 11, 2011 at 5:08 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 11, 2011 at 7:56 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 11, 2011 at 8:05 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 11, 2011 at 8:21 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 11, 2011 at 5:05 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by The Magic Pudding - June 11, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Ashendant - June 11, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 12, 2011 at 6:30 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 12, 2011 at 7:06 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Cinjin - June 13, 2011 at 3:12 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 11, 2011 at 9:15 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 13, 2011 at 8:25 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 14, 2011 at 1:56 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 13, 2011 at 9:32 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 14, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 13, 2011 at 9:51 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Napoléon - June 13, 2011 at 9:53 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Epimethean - June 13, 2011 at 10:07 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 14, 2011 at 2:47 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Faith No More - June 14, 2011 at 3:49 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 14, 2011 at 6:44 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by tackattack - June 14, 2011 at 8:42 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by BloodyHeretic - June 14, 2011 at 11:27 am
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by binny - June 14, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Pray Away the Gay - by Darwinian - June 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm

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