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I cannot believe I actually wasted time on this thread. Numerology? THAT is why the bible is the word of god? C'mon. In that case, is Lost the word of god, too.
(December 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm)jimenez Wrote: Mathematicians have discovered that The bible is written in a mathematical pattern called Gematria and is encrypted unlike any other book in history. A universal language based on mathematics.
Who? Which mathematicians that determined this?
(December 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm)jimenez Wrote: God's universal Language is the bible.
God was a group of ancient humans made up a bunch of oral traditions and incoherant and inconsistent and scientifically inaccurate stories cobbled together and translated multiple times over the course of centuries who are all now dead and uncredited?
(December 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm)jimenez Wrote: God created everything by number, weight and measure.
Isaac Newton
Mathematics is a universal language and a language by which God speaks. It is a fact that mathematicians like
Isaac Newton and theologians like E.W. Bullinger discovered the bible to be written in a intelligent mathematical Design far superior to man's capability. Today, the requirement of computers is needed to reveal the hidden truth. A study was done at the university of Jerusalem that gives proof to the discovery by Mathematicians.
Galileo Galilei said, 'The universe cannot be read until we have learned the language and become familiar with the characters in which it is written. It is written in mathematical language, and the letters are triangles, circles and other geometrical figures, without which means it is humanly impossible to comprehend a single word. Without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth'.
Mathematicians like Euler and Borel used their mathematical expertise to discover God and were somewhat successful. But they were no were near as successful as Isaac newton and Bullinger.
1. Leonhard Euler: formula( ei*pi + 1 = 0 ) also know as "God’s formula".
2. Borel, Emil robability and Life formula
Mathematical signatures or patterns are inherent to the very structure of nature and the universe. While we use our language of mathematics to describe these patterns and all of the precise fine-tuning found in the universe, the mathematical ratios themselves seem to be design evidences: a universal language, unchanging throughout time or place; too precise and nonrandom to be products of chance.
These are just a few examples of Mathematics and God: Φ=Phi = (1.6180339887...) is a number found in universal pattern an a irrational number like pi.pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter (3.141592653...) pi= π is an irrational number, which means that its value cannot be expressed exactly as a fraction having integers in both the numerator and denominator (unlike 22/7). Consequently, its decimal representation never ends and never repeats. π is also a transcendental number, which implies, among other things, that no finite sequence of algebraic operations on integers (powers, roots, sums, etc.) can render its value; proving this fact was a significant mathematical achievement of the 19th century. Phi and pi are both ratios defined by particular Euclidean geometries, with phi being the division of a line "so that the ratio of the lesser part to the greater part is the same as the ratio of the greater part to the whole." Phi's abundance in the universe has earned it names such as the Golden Section, the Divine Proportion, the Golden Ratio, and the Golden Mean. This ratio phi can be found in many natural constructs such as in human and animal proportions (i.e., the arrangement of physical features). Phi relationships can be found in DNA, among the planets of the Solar System (as in Kepler's Laws), and so on.
A fantasical claim, two quotes from famous mathematicians and a few mathematical footnotes - none of which have anything to do with the following claims:
1) Why the bible is the word of god.
Given that your statements fail to evidence 1), you have failed to do anything other than waste our time.
(December 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm)jimenez Wrote: I recommend for all of you to read Number in Scripture by E.W. Bullinger.
How about no?
Given that those sources all make fantastical claims that are not backed up by fasifiable evidence, it would be a waste of time.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
All i heard were complaints, but yet no one has proven me wrong using logical facts and evidence against my proof.if all you have is insults for a reply, then I will go to a real atheist forum were other atheist will at least try to prove me wrong. I will give you guys another try.
You offered no "proof" of anything. Irrational numbers are not god.... (and pi is a human mistake, the correct circle constant is actually tau, a.k.a. 2*pi, but don't get me started on that.)
(December 22, 2011 at 3:34 pm)jimenez Wrote: All i heard were complaints, but yet no one has proven me wrong using logical facts and evidence against my proof.if all you have is insults for a reply, then I will go to a real atheist forum were other atheist will at least try to prove me wrong. I will give you guys another try.
Post something with your arguments in bullet form so that they are easy to answer one at a time.
I could not see any argument to refute in your original post, certainly no evidence so lets see some.
(December 22, 2011 at 3:34 pm)jimenez Wrote: All i heard were complaints, but yet no one has proven me wrong using logical facts and evidence against my proof.if all you have is insults for a reply, then I will go to a real atheist forum were other atheist will at least try to prove me wrong. I will give you guys another try.
You have not offered proof of any kind.
I stated this in my previous post but instead all I got was this useless post.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
December 22, 2011 at 3:46 pm (This post was last modified: December 22, 2011 at 3:58 pm by coffeeveritas.)
(December 22, 2011 at 3:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: jimenez Offline
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Religious Views: christian asshole
Wow! Congrats on the over ten thousand, you're solid gold now!
(December 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm)jimenez Wrote:
Mathematicians have discovered that The bible is written in a mathematical pattern called Gematria and is encrypted unlike any other book in history. A universal language based on mathematics.
God's universal Language is the bible.
God created everything by number, weight and measure.
Isaac Newton
Mathematics is a universal language and a language by which God speaks. It is a fact that mathematicians like
Isaac Newton and theologians like E.W. Bullinger discovered the bible to be written in a intelligent mathematical Design far superior to man's capability. Today, the requirement of computers is needed to reveal the hidden truth. A study was done at the university of Jerusalem that gives proof to the discovery by Mathematicians.
Galileo Galilei said, 'The universe cannot be read until we have learned the language and become familiar with the characters in which it is written. It is written in mathematical language, and the letters are triangles, circles and other geometrical figures, without which means it is humanly impossible to comprehend a single word. Without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth'.
Mathematicians like Euler and Borel used their mathematical expertise to discover God and were somewhat successful. But they were no were near as successful as Isaac newton and Bullinger.
1. Leonhard Euler: formula( ei*pi + 1 = 0 ) also know as "God’s formula".
2. Borel, Emil robability and Life formula
Mathematical signatures or patterns are inherent to the very structure of nature and the universe. While we use our language of mathematics to describe these patterns and all of the precise fine-tuning found in the universe, the mathematical ratios themselves seem to be design evidences: a universal language, unchanging throughout time or place; too precise and nonrandom to be products of chance.
These are just a few examples of Mathematics and God: Φ=Phi = (1.6180339887...) is a number found in universal pattern an a irrational number like pi.pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter (3.141592653...) pi= π is an irrational number, which means that its value cannot be expressed exactly as a fraction having integers in both the numerator and denominator (unlike 22/7). Consequently, its decimal representation never ends and never repeats. π is also a transcendental number, which implies, among other things, that no finite sequence of algebraic operations on integers (powers, roots, sums, etc.) can render its value; proving this fact was a significant mathematical achievement of the 19th century. Phi and pi are both ratios defined by particular Euclidean geometries, with phi being the division of a line "so that the ratio of the lesser part to the greater part is the same as the ratio of the greater part to the whole." Phi's abundance in the universe has earned it names such as the Golden Section, the Divine Proportion, the Golden Ratio, and the Golden Mean. This ratio phi can be found in many natural constructs such as in human and animal proportions (i.e., the arrangement of physical features). Phi relationships can be found in DNA, among the planets of the Solar System (as in Kepler's Laws), and so on.
I recommend for all of you to read Number in Scripture by E.W. Bullinger.
He followed Newton study of the mathematical intelligence behind the bible.
Another good book on the subject is :
The Signature of God
By Grant R. Jeffrey
The laws of mathematics (a universal language) proves the existence of a intelligent being we humans call God.
God Bless.
Um, Gematria isn't a special "mathematical pattern" that the Bible was written in, it was actually a common practice of using the letters of a word to make some sort of pattern. There are ancient examples of people using Gematra to make a joke, or using the Gematria equivalent of someone's name as a sneaky way of referring to that person (well known example, 666 = Nero Emperor). This practice first came about because ancient alphabets were often used as numbers as well, and also due to the ancient's world's love of finding symmetry and significant looking coincidences.
As far as Pi and the Golden Ratio and all that, there are some really cool things in science sure, but most atheists would just see that as the natural laws of the universe. I'm not really sure about claims of some secret universe language, I think it's just called math. You seem to be relatively new, welcome to the forum jimenez. I have to admit I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at with this post, so I'd love to hear your basic thesis. It looks like you've done some reading, glad to have you aboard.
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