Why the bible is the word of God.

[Aegrus]

Actually, Jiminez has learned since the beginning. He stopped making real claims, knowing that we would prove him wrong, and he would look like an idiot.

So now, he just chooses to engage in vague psych-babble. And he still looks like an idiot.

[jimenez]

To: coffeeveritas

Thank you for your research and reply. It seems that you ate the only one that has intelligence and common sense.

Most people believe that Gematria is the same as bible code or numerology. But all three are actualy not related.If you do the research you will find out that each one is different .

Very good research on the history of Gematria but still incorrect. I will explain. Gematria has been Commonly used to encryp words or names in ancient times as you have explained, but not a complete ancient book like the bible. The only ancient book that exists with complete 100% Gematria Is the bible, proven
fact by Mathematicians.

As for universal patterns in Nature.
This is the Fibonacci series: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, etc. It is very simply explained as each number in the series being the sum of the previous two numbers. The ratio of each successive pair of numbers (starting with 3/2) in the series approximates phi (i.e., 8 divided by 5 is 1.6). Why is this important? Because the Fibonacci series is the basis of the spiral patterns common in nature: in shells, hurricanes, whirlpools, spiral galaxies, DNA, and plant life. Phi is all around us. For example: the ratio of scales in the opposing spirals around a pine cone are 5:8; bumps on a pineapple are 8:13; seeds in a sunflower are 21:34. All of these ratios are adjacent pairs in the Fibonacci series.

[Cyberman]

That's all well and good, and that bit about the Fibonacci series is more or less right. But what does it all have to do with the bible being the word of god?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

That's all well and good, and that bit about the Fibonacci series is more or less right. But what does it all have to do with the bible being the word of god?

Nothing. The guy is a fool and a tedious one at that.

Fucking Gematria? What's next, Pyramology?


Still bored.

[Cyberman]

Yeah, I admit I'm not exactly holding my breath for any sense from him. I was just curious, in a vaguely academic sense, as to what his point was meant to be. Without treading on his punchline I expect there's a Watchmaker argument coming up. Just once I'd like to see something new.

[jimenez]

That's all well and good, and that bit about the Fibonacci series is more or less right. But what does it all have to do with the bible being the word of god?

In conclusion: A repeated mathematical pattern found in nature as in the examples of fibonacci series and Phi is not an accident. The level of order is too sophisticated for random cause. The pattern that are often revealed in Nature, DNA, the bible and the universe are too precise. only intelligence produces precise mathematical repeated pattern. This mathematical subject is very interesting and a further observation is required. But without the Proper education, people will not understand. Is is our duty as human beings to look at all the evidence that supports an intelligent being.

I believe that the greatest enemy of the church Is not the Atheist, but the church itself. For the Atheist searches for answers to the truth using logical facts and evidence.

I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Once again, I believe i have made my point. Merry Christmas and God Bless.

[KichigaiNeko]

Yeah, I admit I'm not exactly holding my breath for any sense from him. I was just curious, in a vaguely academic sense, as to what his point was meant to be. Without treading on his punchline I expect there's a Watchmaker argument coming up. Just once I'd like to see something new.

Or hinting of original thought??

Same here...*yawn

[Cyberman]

Congratulations; you managed to fail not only at a reply to my question which you felt imprtant enough to quote, but also to justify the subject of this entire thread. On top of all that you clearly failed to see the post in which I asked you, politely, to learn how to quote. As far as I'm concerned, and if I may channel Matt Dillahunty for this: "You're done!"

[Aegrus]

To: coffeeveritas

Thank you for your research and reply. It seems that you ate the only one that has intelligence and common sense.

Most people believe that Gematria is the same as bible code or numerology. But all three are actualy not related.If you do the research you will find out that each one is different .

Very good research on the history of Gematria but still incorrect. I will explain. Gematria has been Commonly used to encryp words or names in ancient times as you have explained, but not a complete ancient book like the bible. The only ancient book that exists with complete 100% Gematria Is the bible, proven
fact by Mathematicians.

As for universal patterns in Nature.
This is the Fibonacci series: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, etc. It is very simply explained as each number in the series being the sum of the previous two numbers. The ratio of each successive pair of numbers (starting with 3/2) in the series approximates phi (i.e., 8 divided by 5 is 1.6). Why is this important? Because the Fibonacci series is the basis of the spiral patterns common in nature: in shells, hurricanes, whirlpools, spiral galaxies, DNA, and plant life. Phi is all around us. For example: the ratio of scales in the opposing spirals around a pine cone are 5:8; bumps on a pineapple are 8:13; seeds in a sunflower are 21:34. All of these ratios are adjacent pairs in the Fibonacci series.

Truthfully, I don't understand how you link this to the bible. Would you care to elaborate?

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To: coffeeveritas

Thank you for your research and reply. It seems that you ate the only one that has intelligence and common sense.

Most people believe that Gematria is the same as bible code or numerology. But all three are actualy not related.If you do the research you will find out that each one is different .

Very good research on the history of Gematria but still incorrect. I will explain. Gematria has been Commonly used to encryp words or names in ancient times as you have explained, but not a complete ancient book like the bible. The only ancient book that exists with complete 100% Gematria Is the bible, proven
fact by Mathematicians.

As for universal patterns in Nature.
This is the Fibonacci series: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, etc. It is very simply explained as each number in the series being the sum of the previous two numbers. The ratio of each successive pair of numbers (starting with 3/2) in the series approximates phi (i.e., 8 divided by 5 is 1.6). Why is this important? Because the Fibonacci series is the basis of the spiral patterns common in nature: in shells, hurricanes, whirlpools, spiral galaxies, DNA, and plant life. Phi is all around us. For example: the ratio of scales in the opposing spirals around a pine cone are 5:8; bumps on a pineapple are 8:13; seeds in a sunflower are 21:34. All of these ratios are adjacent pairs in the Fibonacci series.

Truthfully, I don't understand how you link this to the bible. Would you care to elaborate?

Oh my god, I just got it. They've been stating their point all along. I thought they were leaving something out and ignoring our requests to clarify, but what they've posted is literally all that they have.

They've said that gematria is in the bible. They've said that it's in nature. I thought that they had a way to link the two, but no. . .
They think that numerology existing in more than one place makes the two places automatically related.



Wow, this is funny. I'm out of breath I was laughing so hard.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for your sources on Gematria in the bible.

[Minimalist]

The Daily Kos dismantled this bible code horseshit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/09/13...ible-Codes