The Israel question.

[5thHorseman]

'Well, the arabs need to unite against the common foe. That's the only way.
We sure did once, and we would do so once more if situation requires it.'

Reads as if you are an Arab, i thought you were a pure Turk?

None of them could destroy Israel, such a comical thought.

[kılıç_mehmet]

'Well, the arabs need to unite against the common foe. That's the only way.
We sure did once, and we would do so once more if situation requires it.'

Reads as if you are an Arab, i thought you were a pure Turk?

None of them could destroy Israel, such a comical thought.

By we, I meant us, I prompt you to read my post:

We too, were on the brink of having similar states within our lands in the aftermath of WWI, and those were created via a peace treaty.
We tore it down, and tore down those newly created (puppet)states, and created our own state. Anything else would really be not acceptable on our accord.
Like, I can't envision Turkey with Greece posessing portions of lands on the agean coast, with the very city of Izmir I lived in for 8 years, being a part of Greece, or the city of Istanbul I was born in would belong to an "international mandate".

I was talking about the creation of the state of Turkey and our war for independence.
And well, I already laid down my reasons why I think that a united arab force could blow Israel to soap above. Either you agree or disagree. If you do not agree, you tell me your reasons.

Sunni and Shia have been killing each other for 1300 years because of some pointless argument over who got to be caliph.

I don't think they are suddenly going to stop.

What?
Why do you think I care about that? I am not talking about a pan-islamic alliance or something. I'm talking about an alliance based on a common arab identity.
Besides, by "we" I don't mean the arabs. I think my poor choice of words or the lack thereof has led to some misunderstandings.
By we, I'm talking about the Turks, and our war of independence, when I said "we did so once". The arabs never had such a war. They only joined up with the british army forces that were battling the Ottomans in arabia.
Hell, their leader wasn't even arab, he was a brit.

Is the Caliphate fully restored in Turkey yet, KM?

Is that a trick question?

Also, I'm just discussing the hypothetical outcome of an arab unification.
Not if they'll ever be united. In either case, I have my own pan-turkist goals in mind to give much thought about how such a unification could occur.

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I have no idea why people think that the jews are so damn powerful or something. Yeah, they have ther lobbying power in the USA...And the Rothschildes, and yes? Anywhere in the world, they're laughed at. I'm beginning to think that Israel is being harsh on the arabs to prove that they are badass or something, but frankly they're not, it's just that they're as powerful as others want them to be.

[Jackalope]

With all the talk of destroying Israel being batted around, I feel I should point out the obvious: if you actually make an earnest attempt to do so, I hope you need a few city-sized ashtrays.

[5thHorseman]

The 'jews' have a disproportionately high wealth, money brings power. Israel also have nuclear weapons and the best army in the middle east, and are run by crazy idiots.

Laughed at.... I don't think so, but maybe out of macho stupidity, something that part of the uneducated arab lands suffers from.

[Autumnlicious]

Arabs seem to think that a human wave attack, in the distant future, will be all they need.

They don't seem the realize that the Israelis have absolutely no qualms about using white phosphorus and other nasty weapons if they deem it fit.

[5thHorseman]

Arabs seem to think that a human wave attack, in the distant future, will be all they need.

They don't seem the realize that the Israelis have absolutely no qualms about using white phosphorus and other nasty weapons if they deem it fit.

Indeed. I am no fan of Israel, but I have to admire the way they stick up for themselves and will do absolutely anything to get their way, Obama could learn a thing or two from that attitude.

[Epimethean]

You mean, such as how to piss off every country around you? His predecessor was past master of that and unlikely to be surpassed.

[5thHorseman]

You mean, such as how to piss off every country around you? His predecessor was past master of that and unlikely to be surpassed.

Ah, I meant Obama should be like that with Republicans and not pander to everything they want.

[Minimalist]

I have no idea why people think that the jews are so damn powerful or something

3,000 tanks and 2,000 aircraft will pretty much do the trick.

[kılıç_mehmet]

The 'jews' have a disproportionately high wealth, money brings power. Israel also have nuclear weapons and the best army in the middle east, and are run by crazy idiots.

Laughed at.... I don't think so, but maybe out of macho stupidity, something that part of the uneducated arab lands suffers from.

Best army? Surely not. Unless they fire nukes(of which we have a few in the nato bases around our country), Turkey would easily outmatch them.
But why? Why should we actually give a damn about the Israelis and Arabs?
The arab and jew are like the kind of people that the rest of the world should distance themselves from. It's for the best.

Arabs seem to think that a human wave attack, in the distant future, will be all they need.

It's all they need right now.
Israel has only a 5 million jewish population. Not to mention that they have arabs within their own country.
What I'm saying is, that a wave attack won't even be necessary. The Jews would run away at the sight of a true, massed arab army at their gates.

They don't seem the realize that the Israelis have absolutely no qualms about using white phosphorus and other nasty weapons if they deem it fit.

They don't, but really, how many arabs can you kill using white phosphorus?
After some time, you're gonna crack.