There is a big difference between "thinking" we are making sacrifices and actually sacrificing something. Anything we have we have been given by God. Therefore we have nothing to sacrifice. IMO. All sacrifices "to God" are ultimately made for the benefit of humanity. Not really a sacrifice.
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| Poll: What Was Jesus' Sacrifice? This poll is closed. |
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| Jesus' sacrifice to god so man would have to sacrifice no more and to cleanse the sins of humanity. | 2 | 66.67% | |
| Not a sacrifice at all. It was a willing death to clean sins. | 0 | 0% | |
| I don't know. | 1 | 33.33% | |
| Total | 3 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Christians: A Question
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 Quote:Shell: God didn't sacrifice "himself" to himself. His sacrifice himself to us. That's pretty fucking stupid. None of us were alive then. Looks like his sacrifice was pretty much a waste of time, wasn't it?  (January 5, 2012 at 7:48 pm)amkerman Wrote: There is a big difference between "thinking" we are making sacrifices and actually sacrificing something. Anything we have we have been given by God. Therefore we have nothing to sacrifice. IMO. All sacrifices "to God" are ultimately made for the benefit of humanity. Not really a sacrifice. Um, I'm pretty sure god demanded sacrifices. Fuck me running, consistency is like unobtanium to you guys, huh?  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:What offerring? Sorry (don't understand). It wasn't (anything other than feeding my belly). Exactly. Therefore it wasn't a sacrifice. (Sorry again if that seems ... I'm not trying to be evasive).Quote:I eat animals most days. that isn't anything to do with sacrufice. Neither was the killing of Jesus to any of the humans present. Sacrifices of any kind are a payment.... you offer the payment so that you might get let off the debt. If no one is doing any offerring then 'sacrifice' doesn't factor. (January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:Quote:You seem now to be diversifying into ridicule. But just in case you're serious, I'll try to help again. Ok, good. Thanks. (January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:Quote:God made the sacrifice because only he could. Only he can make such a far reaching gesture that fully covers every eventuality. The perfect insurance policy. That's how you get to claim the ultimate pay back. I'm sorry again. I'm trying to answer directly what you say. You said you didn't get why it was a sacrifice so I tried to answer that. He was sacrificed for our sins. Yes. He was a man. Yes. If you are saying that God condones human sacrifice then that's a 'no'. Because as pointed out by Pad: this is a unique case so can't be applied to humankind... just Jesus who was fully man and fully God. God condones Jesus (human/God) sacrifice. Sure. Here's an example. (January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote: I am trying to establish if Jesus was a man and a sacrifice. It could not be simpler.You cant stray away from the precise understanding that you're addressing. You can't change God AND man (Jesus) into man minus God (not Jesus). Jesus was man and God and a sacrifice. There's no reduction from that I'm afraid. (January 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus"Precisely. The function of the person of Jesus Christ as the purpose of redemption. 
To whom shell? I speak only for myself. "God demanded sacrifices"? Did you speak with God? If you are saying God asks for our faith and trust in "Him", I agree. I don't consider that a sacrifice, I consider it doing what is right.
Minimalist: yes it was a one time deal. God exists outside of time, and so do we if we choose. The sacrifice is good both retro- and prospectively of 33 AD. The sacrifice is eternal. How was it a waste of time?
Because I am not dumb enough to fall for such abject shit.
Minimalist you make no sense. The sacrifice is for all of us. The fact that you don't believe in God is precisely why it wasn't a "waste of time" as you put it. If one day you change your tune, you're forgiven. You should be thankful.
You should be thankful of scientists when they one day find a cure for cancer, but will you be? Nah, you'll probably say it's a miracle and be thanking god.
well you would be wrong Napolean. I fully believe in science and am thankful for its many acheivments. But, you know, pigeonhole me if you want; many on here seem to have an affinity for doing that. It's pretty typical in society as a whole actually.
(January 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm)amkerman Wrote: Minimalist you make no sense. The sacrifice is for all of us. The fact that you don't believe in God is precisely why it wasn't a "waste of time" as you put it. If one day you change your tune, you're forgiven. You should be thankful. Sonny boy, you can tweet your fairy tales out your ass for as long as you like. Until you can provide EVIDENCE that any of your bullshit ever happened it remains nothing but a tale told to impress children. YOU may be impressed by it. I think it is HORSESHIT from the word 'go.' Do you get it now? |
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