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Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
#31
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
Pity.

The single, overarching emotion I felt upon reading this wall of text was pity. Even if the entire story is an anti-atheist propagandic piece of fiction, it accurately describes the effect religion has on a person.

Religion (or more accurately, faith) destroys man's rational faculty. It destroys one's ability to reason by telling them to accept things without evidence or examination. Even the rare moments of rationality, like atrophied muscles being spurred into action by intermittent blood flow, do not last and the muscles don't work as they should or could.

Here we have a person who has been taught from the beginning to believe, but not to reason. As a result, he never learned how the process works. When briefly struck by a flash of rationality, he began to question. But never knowing how to question, all he could question were the ideas he could perceive. He could not perceive the ideas underlying those ideas and thus it never occurred to him that they are open to investigation as well.

The result was obvious.
Instead of simple disbelief in the idea of god, he found hatred.
Instead of realizing that now he had to find the meaning of his own life, he assumed that his life had none.
Instead of trying to reason why the drinking, smoking and partying people were happy, he tried to achieve happiness by mimicking their actions.

But reason tolerates no falsification and happiness cannot be made true by faking it. If his capacity for forming new concept was indeed destroyed, he'd have had no choice but to turn to those that were already there. And that is what he did.

The acid trip might have been the catalyzing factor, but the consequence was coming all along. Having shut down his mind, it became easy to accept anything as truth, whether it be a hallucination of god talking or that of the dog talking. Things that a rational mind would reject contemptuously.

While the process of slow smothering of his rationality seems to have started from his childhood, he delivered the final blow by rationalizing his decision to return to faith.

The only thing interesting I see is the phone call from the ex-atheist friend. Though its not much of a stretch. He did not go from starting to doubt to begging god for signs in a matter of minutes. He probably struggled against it on his own for some time. Maybe even wrote on his blog to reaffirm his faith. Coincidentally, Tyler was going through the same process. That Tyler came across his blog while looking for more knowledge on the subject is unsurprising and expected.

What's more the author would have probably seen it as a sign even if Tyler had called three days later, six days later (time of creation) or forty days later.

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#32
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
TL;DR here as well. If I had time to sit & read a novel, I'd sit & read a novel.

When I was religious, I prayed for things which never happened. Can anyone explain how this was God?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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#33
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
Isnt it amazing how many theists claim they used to be 'hardcore' athiests, then they explain some bullshit about how their life had no meaning.

Its the old 'I was one of you' ploy by someone who has not the first clue about atheism.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#34
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(January 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Isnt it amazing how many theists claim they used to be 'hardcore' athiests, then they explain some bullshit about how their life had no meaning.

Its the old 'I was one of you' ploy by someone who has not the first clue about atheism.

Yeah, the tired old ploy of a "former atheist". Here was my first clue that this troll was NEVER an atheist:

Quote:Please keep in mind I was a hardcore atheist for the last 2 years of my life ...So before this some of you probably knew me as the guy who never seemed to be happy and the guy who sorta hated God.


These religious fuckwits should at least learn what atheism is before they come on here spouting their bullshit. A "hardcore atheist" that "hated God"? Idiot fucking douchebag.

"If there are gaps they are in our knowledge, not in things themselves." Chapman Cohen

"Shit-apples don't fall far from the shit-tree, Randy." Mr. Lahey
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#35
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(January 12, 2012 at 4:25 am)ElDinero Wrote: Holy shit that was a lot of text. Anyone who read the whole thing deserves first a medal, and second a straight jacket.
Umm, can you help me tie this thing in the back here. I can't quite reach the straps. You can affix the medal on the door to my padded cell.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise

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#36
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
Tl;dc

(too long don't care)
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#37
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
TL - DC
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(too long, don't care)
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#38
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(January 12, 2012 at 4:42 am)Of_Tomato Wrote: This is a classic example of "cannabis psychosis". My dad is a psychosis doctor in sweden and deals with these sort of things all the time. Actually its just called psychosis, it has nothing to do with cannabis per se, alot of stuff can start a psychosis. Psyochosis are latent in pretty much all of us, some are just more prone then others. If i should go by my dads words, the content of the psychosis depends on the individual and their background. Some people see napoleon, others their lost dog. Considering what you wrote about you anger and previous "searching", your excperience isnt all that surprising.

^^This sounds like a more reasonable explanation then that of the OP.

OP here's a book that can help. http://www.amazon.com/Believing-Brain-Co...640&sr=1-1

Though it may seem like god is the only thing that can explain what happened to you don't close your mind to other possibilities. For example can you explain how many other people have similar experiences but with "gods" other than the Christian "god". Have you even looked into a scientific explanation for the experience or did you just immediately assume it was the Christian god and leave it at that?
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise

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#39
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
WTFLAB;CNSA

Way too fucking long and boring; could not stay awake
"If there are gaps they are in our knowledge, not in things themselves." Chapman Cohen

"Shit-apples don't fall far from the shit-tree, Randy." Mr. Lahey
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#40
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
I'm a hardcore bigfoot skeptic who hates bigfoot.

I don't know why theists can't see how this doesn't make sense.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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