Police raid on 3 (arch) dioceses

[KichigaiNeko]

Let me clarify...

"Last Stand" in the protectionism of the church members from the law of the land. Agreed they should be 'defrocked' and handed over to the civil authorities.

[Angrboda]

I hope that I am not alone on this forum in wanting to wait until it is announced what they actually found before proceeding to conclusions based on nothing more than prejudice and blood lust.

If you deign to enter my temple upon such grounds, be not surprised to find your intestines twisted round the end of a sharply pointed stick.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Oh PLEASE let it be a 'Last Stand'

There's a part of me that wants to see them try to do a significant amount of damage control to ensure that this sort of shit never happens again (maybe something like permanently defrocking any paedophile priests and handing them over to the authorities immediately); after all, my old church, after I left, wound up sheltering an elder who turned out to be a pedophile (they're Lutherans, BTW). That said, I know how conservative the Church tends to be, and I know how they've handled the molestation crisis in the past ten years, I can't see anything like that ending well.

Of course, something tells me that they probably won't go much further.

"The molestation crisis in the past ten years" is a bit of a fucking euphemism, 'reverend'. True to your persona. It's centuries if not millennia of institutionalized child abuse that we're talking about here, 'reverend'! And its systematic and organized condonement, facilitation, and whitewash by its leadership !

[KichigaiNeko]

It's centuries if not millennia of institutionalized child abuse that we're talking about here, 'reverend'! And its systematic and organized condonement, facilitation, and whitewash by its leadership !

Agreed Rokcet, but you would have difficulty prosecuting for a millennia of abuse. Stay calm and breathe and let's deal with what we CAN do!!

[Rokcet Scientist]

If you insist, OK: let's 'just' get the pope and his cronies defrocked and in the dock. That ought to be doable!

Genocide should be enough of a charge to make that happen, I should think. The AIDS/HIV genocide in Africa I mean. The pope forbade condoms. So he should be held responsible for a couple hundred million African HIV/AIDS deaths, minimum!

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao could learn a thing or two from the mother church.

[KichigaiNeko]

If you insist, OK: let's 'just' get the pope and his cronies defrocked and in the dock. That ought to be doable!

That alone will be a big enough ask mate. Maybe while that is happening we can get all the xtian sects ..like Baptist, Methodist, JW, etc as a practice for the biggie?? That should make you feel a bit better

[Rev. Rye]

"The molestation crisis in the past ten years" is a bit of a fucking euphemism, 'reverend'. True to your persona. It's centuries if not millennia of institutionalized child abuse that we're talking about here, 'reverend'! And its systematic and organized condonement, facilitation, and whitewash by its leadership !

Yes, the abuse happpened for centuries. The "Scandal" I'm referring to is when it became generally known that this sort of shit was happening. Here's what I'm talking about; until fairly recently, it was enshrined in canon law that allegations of sexual misconduct were to stay within the church on pain of excommunication (see Crimen Sollicitationis.) Now, given this, it sort of makes sense that they'd just shuffle them around; It's utterly reprehensible, but at least it made sense.
But then, in 2001, it stopped being enforced, and a scandal erupted. And, pretty much, they handled it in the same way, but now, it seems that they're more open about it. So, now it's not just reprehensible, it's also utterly stupid.
I mean, any villain involved in huge-scale coverups at least knows to try to create a sense of plausible deniability, whether or not it's Nixon covering up his involvement in Watergate, the Nazis destroying their own concentration camps, or, fuck it, take your pick. Except, apparently, the Catholic Church hasn't figured this out; they're not trying to make sure this doesn't happen again; they're not even trying to hide the fact that they're not trying to make sure it doesn't happen again; such transparent villainy sort of makes you lose what little respect you had.

[Rokcet Scientist]

[...] you would have difficulty prosecuting for a millennia of abuse. [...]

Hmm... well, let's ask the Americans how they do it. How they manage to work with absurdly big numbers like a 245 year sentence for murder, an 800,000 dollar fine for downloading 16 tracks, or a deficit of 15 trillion dollars, without laughing...

They do it all the time!

[Aegrus]

[...] you would have difficulty prosecuting for a millennia of abuse. [...]

Hmm... well, let's ask the Americans how they do it. How they manage to work with absurdly big numbers like a 245 year sentence for murder, an 800,000 dollar fine for downloading 16 tracks, or a deficit of 15 trillion dollars, without laughing...

They do it all the time!

As an America, I agree that people in this country are stupid- and our government is insane. I would like to move to Europe. . . but leaving here won't help anything. As long as Atheists continue to fight onward in America, there is still hope.

[Rokcet Scientist]

leaving here won't help anything.

...apart from decreasing the IQ average in both continents...