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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm
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(October 10, 2012 at 12:07 am)popeyespappy Wrote: (October 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm)ronedee Wrote: Think of it this way: we = a box of rocks... and God is Einstein!
Doesn't become much clearer now?
Well you're right about one thing. "It does not become much clearer now." That is, after all, what you wrote.
What does become clearer now is you do not have a clue what you are talking about and are pulling shit out of your ass.
well...thanks for the heads-up! I'll try and get a clue, and proof read my posts!
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(October 9, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why would I think of it that way Rondee, if The Word of God™ is any indicator..we'd be dealing with a cosmic idiot. Am I supposed to imagine that this god is somehow a genius in all of the areas that the faithful haven't tried to sell it on? No dice for me.
I hear you Rhythm. I'm just commenting, and looking for people to come up with counter "ideas" to rattle my cage...unfortunately peeps are just rattling my cage!
(October 10, 2012 at 12:23 am)Godschild Wrote: I found your thought about the Holy Spirit intriguing, I see how you have explained the Holy Trinity and I agree the family aspect is a good one.
Thanks Godschild!
(October 10, 2012 at 8:15 am)Faith No More Wrote: ronedee Wrote:should we say the same about gravity?
I fail to see how that is an apt comparison.
Gravity is a Theory...like Electricity...and several other mysteries in this world.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 12, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Yes, gravity is a theory, however, the trinity is not. So, how is that an apt comparison?
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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OH FFS, gravity is not a theory.....there is the "law of universal gravitation" an analytic statement that allows us to make predictions, and then a "theory of gravity" which attempts to explain why this happens. Gravity itself is the observed effect...not the god-damned theory. Would you like to establish the analytic statement being made with regards to the trinity...or how the trinity explains why this analytic statement is true? Perhaps produce an observable effect? There are many mysteries in the world, your pantheon of gods is not one of them. It is, perhaps..one of the least mysterious things in human experience (and mostly because it's adherents can't keep their own fantasies to themselves).
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: OH FFS, gravity is not a theory.....there is the "law of universal gravitation" an analytic statement that allows us to make predictions, and then a "theory of gravity" which attempts to explain why this happens. Gravity itself is the observed effect...not the god-damned theory. Would you like to establish the analytic statement being made with regards to the trinity...or how the trinity explains why this analytic statement is true? Perhaps produce an observable effect? There are many mysteries in the world, your pantheon of gods is not one of them. It is, perhaps..one of the least mysterious things in human experience (and mostly because it's adherents can't keep their own fantasies to themselves).
Ok...Gravity is an "observed phenomena"...but the essence of the term [theory] itself is that it can never be "proven", it can only be "disproved".
So, my point is: that it's the best explanation for something "we don't know about". The latter of that statement being the issue.
As for the God & Trinity itself? Some theories claim that the hand of God is holding the Universe in place!
Whats the difference if they are both theories? Their POV, and status in the scientific community?!
Just think IF Louis Pasture would've been a physicist! You might be calling Gravity....well...maybe not!
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok...Gravity is an "observed phenomena"...but the essence of the term [theory] itself is that it can never be "proven", it can only be "disproved".
So, my point is: that it's the best explanation for something "we don't know about". The latter of that statement being the issue.
As for the God & Trinity itself? Some theories claim that the hand of God is holding the Universe in place!
Whats the difference if they are both theories? Their POV, and status in the scientific community?!
Just think IF Louis Pasture would've been a physicist! You might be calling Gravity....well...maybe not!
How do you get your teeth so white! Probably not a coffee drinker!
Dictionary.com Wrote:the·o·ry
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural the·o·ries.
1.
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
2.
a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
3.
Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4.
the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5.
a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theories of how children best learn to read.
A scientific theory is the first definition here; what you propose is the second.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 13, 2012 at 12:14 am
(October 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm)Darkstar Wrote: A scientific theory is the first definition here; what you propose is the second.
Do you ever come up with an original thought?
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 13, 2012 at 12:27 am
(October 13, 2012 at 12:14 am)ronedee Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm)Darkstar Wrote: A scientific theory is the first definition here; what you propose is the second.
Do you ever come up with an original thought?
Does anyone? Odds are someone has said it before. Not to mention, if you had already heard the rebuttals, then why did you bother to bring it up in the first place?
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 13, 2012 at 12:32 am
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(October 13, 2012 at 12:27 am)Darkstar Wrote: (October 13, 2012 at 12:14 am)ronedee Wrote: Do you ever come up with an original thought?
Does anyone? Odds are someone has said it before. Not to mention, if you had already heard the rebuttals, then why did you bother to bring it up in the first place?
uhhhhgggg.............I'm tempted in this situation to just scream out: "I know you are, but what am I"
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 14, 2012 at 2:01 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok...Gravity is an "observed phenomena"...but the essence of the term [theory] itself is that it can never be "proven", it can only be "disproved". No quotation marks required. The theory is not meant to be proof (science doesn't really deal in proofs, it deals in explanations and provisional certainty).
Quote:So, my point is: that it's the best explanation for something "we don't know about". The latter of that statement being the issue.
Why do you think that the theory of gravity is the best explanation for an observed phenomena of gravity (and which one)? To say we don't know about gravity would be taking hilarious liberties with the phrase.
Quote:As for the God & Trinity itself? Some theories claim that the hand of God is holding the Universe in place!
No, no theories claim that. You really need to take the time to fully absorb what a theory is. A faith based claim is incapable of rising to the status of theory....and honestly, I don't think the faithful would want their claims to rise to the status of theory, because to do so would be to invite disaster.
Quote:Whats the difference if they are both theories? Their POV, and status in the scientific community?!
The key difference is that they are not -both- theories. Laying that aside, if they were, their POV would be irrelevant, a theory's status in the scientific community is (most often though not always) a function of how well it matches observation, and how well it stands up to scrutiny. Now, amusingly, most faith based claims parading around as theories have been humored at least long enough to explain to those interested precisely why they would fail as theories -even if they had met the bar to be called a theory-...which they do not.
Quote:Just think IF Louis Pasture would've been a physicist! You might be calling Gravity....well...maybe not!
How do you get your teeth so white! Probably not a coffee drinker!
Herp derp.
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