How would an omniscient God work?

[Rokcet Scientist]

This topic has been discussed countless times on this and other sites throughout the internet. Wait for the verbal diarrhoea from the theists.

That's what I thought, could you please link me where it has been discussed?

You like diarrhoea...?

It's entertaining.

How so? 'Entertaining' like chimps entertain themselves throwing their faeces around?
Methinks some counseling is in order...

[Forsaken]

search for "freewill" in the search box. You will get a list of threads (though not specific) which has discussed the concept of freewill.

[Soyouz]

Well, I want to know what the theists think about it. The questions are for theists, assuming there is a god and the thought of free will if there was one. Free will has to be looked on differently if there is no god.

Just trying to provoke some thoughts.

[Welsh cake]

It would feel strange to say that a God would need entertainment since that would be a human trait, why would an all-powerful being need entertainment?

A creator god isn't perfect, or else why create anything to start with? A perfect deity has no want or need for a creation, it’s perfectly content in its own perfection. A being that creates a reality, its rules and square bounds knowing every possible outcome in advance must have done so out of sheer boredom.

When you think about, fictional deities that exist inside an endless and timeless void such as Ilúvatar, Allah or Yahweh would go insane if they didn't assume the role of creator. They've got nothing else to do.

They can't simply create another god or clone within the infinite abyss to keep them company, it’s beyond their power to break their bodies/forms apart and defeats the objective as dividing their own divine forms creates a mere reflection that's no different from talking to themselves.

So they seek a distraction, an illusion, anything to stop the maddening realisation they're all alone, a single conscious in vast nothingness. They create a reality around them, a grand design, a triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.

The deity devises creations that are lesser beings, each all flawed in its own unique way. It pits them against each other and the natural order, watching their meaningless lives play out like The Sims. Initially it gains a sense of self-gratification as it watches the pathetic mortals’ ambitions and existences get squashed into oblivion - whether good or evil they are all doomed to failure as they lack the power of their creator.

But then the god starts going mad again though, as it cannot ignore its own voice of reason that this elaborate "reality" it has created is still nothing more than a lie, a game of pretend, an illusion made to occupy itself from the truth - the endless dark void all around. It starts venting that anger, that frustration on its own hapless creation, seeking new ways to abuse the lesser beings that dwell there.

Eventually the being starts confronting the truth and verges on complete insanity. It becomes a destroyer rather than a creator/maintainer. We know the saying "the bigger they are the harder they fall" but when we're talking godly-big, when they fall at this point, they hit the dirt so damn hard they take everything else with them.

This reality is destroyed. Then nothing happens. The horrible realisation that the entity is once again all alone in an endless abyss returns. Out of desperation to give itself a sense of purpose or meaning it creates another cosmos all over again.

And thus, the god is doomed to repeat the cycle of self-denial for all eternity.

[Forsaken]

Well, I want to know what the theists think about it. The questions are for theists, assuming there is a god and the thought of free will if there was one. Free will has to be looked on differently if there is no god.

Just trying to provoke some thoughts.

Their freewill is different from our version of freewill. Simply stated, in their version, their will is not free and controlled by the "almighty" every nanosecond.

[Soyouz]

It would feel strange to say that a God would need entertainment since that would be a human trait, why would an all-powerful being need entertainment?

A creator god isn't perfect, or else why create anything to start with? A perfect deity has no want or need for a creation, it’s perfectly content in its own perfection. A being that creates a reality, its rules and square bounds knowing every possible outcome in advance must have done so out of sheer boredom.

When you think about, fictional deities that exist inside an endless and timeless void such as Ilúvatar, Allah or Yahweh would go insane if they didn't assume the role of creator. They've got nothing else to do.

They can't simply create another god or clone within the infinite abyss to keep them company, it’s beyond their power to break their bodies/forms apart and defeats the objective as dividing their own divine forms creates a mere reflection that's no different from talking to themselves.

So they seek a distraction, an illusion, anything to stop the maddening realisation they're all alone, a single conscious in vast nothingness. They create a reality around them, a grand design, a triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.

The deity devises creations that are lesser beings, each all flawed in its own unique way. It pits them against each other and the natural order, watching their meaningless lives play out like The Sims. Initially it gains a sense of self-gratification as it watches the pathetic mortals’ ambitions and existences get squashed into oblivion - whether good or evil they are all doomed to failure as they lack the power of their creator.

But then the god starts going mad again though, as it cannot ignore its own voice of reason that this elaborate "reality" it has created is still nothing more than a lie, a game of pretend, an illusion made to occupy itself from the truth - the endless dark void all around. It starts venting that anger, that frustration on its own hapless creation, seeking new ways to abuse the lesser beings that dwell there.

Eventually the being starts confronting the truth and verges on complete insanity. It becomes a destroyer rather than a creator/maintainer. We know the saying "the bigger they are the harder they fall" but when we're talking godly-big, when they fall at this point, they hit the dirt so damn hard they take everything else with them.

This reality is destroyed. Then nothing happens. The horrible realisation that the entity is once again all alone in an endless abyss returns. Out of desperation to give itself a sense of purpose or meaning it creates another cosmos all over again.

And thus, the god is doomed to repeat the cycle of self-denial for all eternity.

Precisely my thoughts, you just put it into better words. And when I think about it, it makes the very thought of a god so stupid that I can't understand how anyone could believe in it. Well, there are loads of reasons but this one outshines them all as nothing can be said about it.

Forsaken, that's exactly what I mean. But that's not what they seem to think.

[Blam!]

Omniscient god goes down the drain, but so what's the crucial factor that drives them to believe their god, despite how nonsense their beliefs may be? An afterlife? Fear of divine punishment? Masochistic needs to be God's sheep?

[Forsaken]

Omniscient god goes down the drain, but so what's the crucial factor that drives them to believe their god, despite how nonsense their beliefs may be? An afterlife? Fear of divine punishment? Masochistic needs to be God's sheep?

Pascals Wager...

[Rokcet Scientist]

Omniscient god goes down the drain, but so what's the crucial factor that drives them to believe their god, despite how nonsense their beliefs may be? An afterlife? Fear of divine punishment? Masochistic needs to be God's sheep?

All of the above. Plus, most of all, social control, a.k.a. fear of peer punishment and ostracism.

[Soyouz]

Assuming god exists, would the god actually have free will or was he determined to create us?

God has to be observer created in any case.

The psychological aspect of theists has to be the most interesting one like the reasons mentioned above, though were they predetermined to become theists? Just as some people have a "higher" chance to believe in anything that is fictional. There has to be something in the mind itself that drives certain people to believe in something.