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How would an omniscient God work?
#31
RE: How would an omniscient God work?
(January 22, 2012 at 7:39 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: It's depressing, I know, I look around me at my fellow man and get this overwhelming nausea when I think about it. Sometimes I think I was born a thousand years too early. My species still hasn't left the caves.
Look on the bright side, you could've been born a thousand years earlier than now, without comforts such as the censorship-free Internet, and born just after America gets to fuck it all up with censorship.
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#32
RE: How would an omniscient God work?
(January 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Soyouz Wrote: Considering this God knows every possible outcome, from the start to the end. Every single neuron and pathway possible, how and why every single human would act to every possible circumstance?

This in a way, nullifies free will. Since it actually isn't freewill if God baked us together with his ingredients and knows the outcome.

If the god knows the path of every human, he has already predetermined who will go to hell or not or who will turn out to be evil or not.. who will be an atheist or not and who will turn out to be a theist. So he then causes conflicts in between the two even though he created every single one of them in a certain way and purposely did so, just for his own entertainment? It would feel strange to say that a God would need entertainment since that would be a human trait, why would an all-powerful being need entertainment?

Thoughts on this?

Good questions. If I could ask you question, what is free will? Is it subjective or objective? Does it depend on temporal state?

While I could attempt to answer your question, I couldn't justify how god could be benevolent while being omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
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#33
RE: How would an omniscient God work?
(January 23, 2012 at 4:27 pm)Perhaps Wrote:
(January 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Soyouz Wrote: Considering this God knows every possible outcome, from the start to the end. Every single neuron and pathway possible, how and why every single human would act to every possible circumstance?

This in a way, nullifies free will. Since it actually isn't freewill if God baked us together with his ingredients and knows the outcome.

If the god knows the path of every human, he has already predetermined who will go to hell or not or who will turn out to be evil or not.. who will be an atheist or not and who will turn out to be a theist. So he then causes conflicts in between the two even though he created every single one of them in a certain way and purposely did so, just for his own entertainment? It would feel strange to say that a God would need entertainment since that would be a human trait, why would an all-powerful being need entertainment?

Thoughts on this?

Good questions. If I could ask you question, what is free will? Is it subjective or objective? Does it depend on temporal state?

While I could attempt to answer your question, I couldn't justify how god could be benevolent while being omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.

Free will does seem to be an illusion, but maybe not because of the discoveries in quantum mechanics, where "true" randomness has been found.

It does seem that most of what we do is predetermined on a deeper level. Personality being one, turning out to be a theist or an atheist is another.

And this is one of the reasons which makes god even more improbable. I never chose to be an atheist, events happened and my mind was in a state to begin with were no deity was needed.

And this would be the opposite for a theist. I just don't think there was a "choice" to begin with for either, you could say well I did turn to god for these and these reasons. But if that is the case, your mind would of been attracted to those reasons before you ever heard about them.

Just as my mind is attracted to reason and science, I'm open to anything though even god, but my brain requires reason for that choice.

Let me know what you think.
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#34
RE: How would an omniscient God work?
(January 22, 2012 at 7:39 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: It's this idea of self importance, this quest for purpose.

And that is it in a nutshell.

All Science has to offer is the realisation that we are about as insignificant as it is possible to get, that in cosmological terms we are no different to a virus(and afterall we are just evolved virus')

Religion on the other hand, tells you that you are best buddies with the creator of the universe, and it it hard to get much more important than that.

So is it any wonder that the credulous and weak willed turn away from the truth. It is rather unpleasant compared to the alternative.
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