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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:50 pm
koldanas Wrote:Since athiest wants to associate everything with scientific evidence, I suppose death is just a being that ceases to function and start to rot. and nothing happens after that. Then why does sad feeling need to be there.
I must admit this baffles me. If death is final, why shouldn't I truly be sad about not seeing, earing talking to that person again? Conversely, you nutjobs that believe in heavens, after-lives, etc, why do YOU feel sad when someone dies if you believe they are in heaven? You nutjobs cant get any more backwards than this 
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 8:49 pm
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(February 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Koklanas Wrote: God's existence is not just for delivering ultimate justice alone. He is there to serve his creations for other need as well, like giving reward to good deeds and what not.
As I said before and I will say again and keep saying till you admit morals are not from your brutal sky warlord Allah, you're an amoral animal if you only do good for reward and avoid doing bad cause you fear punishment.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 8:51 pm
The theistic mind then is one that DEMANDS a servant of their deity, a genie to grant anywishes...and they determine that this is moral??
Oi vey!
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 3:50 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I must admit this baffles me. If death is final, why shouldn't I truly be sad about not seeing, earing talking to that person again? Conversely, you nutjobs that believe in heavens, after-lives, etc, why do YOU feel sad when someone dies if you believe they are in heaven? You nutjobs cant get any more backwards than this
This ^ !
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 8:51 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The theistic mind then is one that DEMANDS a servant of their deity, a genie to grant anywishes...and they determine that this is moral??
Oi vey!
Oy is spelled Oy 
BTW, did you hear about the joint Israeli-Russian space station? They named it Oy Vey Is Mir.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 11:04 pm
oy vey?? Ok...
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 14, 2012 at 9:09 am
(February 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm)Koklanas Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm)Koklanas Wrote: It is much easier to prove Ghost exists, since it makes itself visible sometimes. For God it is much harder and one has to use analogy and logic.
And yet no one has proved ghosts exist.
There are tricks of the light, camera faults, double exposure insect swarms, billowing curtains and all sort of other things that can be mistaken for apparitions.
its more recent invention than you might think.
Quote: The now prevailing sense of "the soul of a deceased person, spoken of as appearing in a visible form" only emerges in Middle English (14th century)
So why weren't older ghosts reported as being visible?
Did they suddenly become visible 1400 years after christ supposedly died?
or are they just made up fairy tales?
Guess what I think.
I suppose back then they did not have much light at night, only candles. Nowadays we have LEDs and what not.
Ghosts do exist. Athiest avoid believing in them worrying it will negate the believe in God's existance
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 14, 2012 at 9:18 am
(This post was last modified: February 14, 2012 at 9:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Evidence?
(for both ghosts and your assessment of the motivations of atheists at large, especially considering a few posts back you seemed to be unclear on what "atheism" means in the first place. How have you suddenly become so well versed on why atheists do anything at all? Why do I tie my shoelaces....as an atheist?)
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 14, 2012 at 9:18 am
(February 14, 2012 at 9:09 am)Koklanas Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm)Koklanas Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm)Koklanas Wrote: It is much easier to prove Ghost exists, since it makes itself visible sometimes. For God it is much harder and one has to use analogy and logic.
And yet no one has proved ghosts exist.
There are tricks of the light, camera faults, double exposure insect swarms, billowing curtains and all sort of other things that can be mistaken for apparitions.
its more recent invention than you might think.
Quote: The now prevailing sense of "the soul of a deceased person, spoken of as appearing in a visible form" only emerges in Middle English (14th century)
So why weren't older ghosts reported as being visible?
Did they suddenly become visible 1400 years after christ supposedly died?
or are they just made up fairy tales?
Guess what I think.
I suppose back then they did not have much light at night, only candles. Nowadays we have LEDs and what not.
Ghosts do exist. Athiest avoid believing in them worrying it will negate the believe in God's existance
similarly with other unseen being like angels, devils. They have extra specialty as compared to human since God gives them the ability to be invisible.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 14, 2012 at 9:22 am
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Evidence? By what mechanism do they achieve invisibility, or what are the limitations of the known mechanism(s) that they circumvent in order to achieve invisibility?
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