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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
February 21, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm
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(February 14, 2012 at 3:52 am)Tiberius Wrote: (February 14, 2012 at 3:41 am)Cosmic Ape Wrote: 1) There is no "knowledge of god"
2) I'm the one saying that there are other god-tales out there and that his question of "do i know god exists" means he hasnt explained which god, presuming upon his god-tale.
1) Debatable. Some people claim knowledge of God, how do you know there isn't? I'd be wary of making an absolute truth claim such as "there is no knowledge of god". I'm an agnostic, I hold that knowledge of God is unknown or unknowable (to me at least).
2) Yes, but generally speaking when a specific god is not mentioned the word applies to the concept of a deity.
This was most epic and best post an Atheist ever made on this forum.
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 4:53 pm
Why are you necroing all these threads man.
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 5:01 pm
(April 23, 2018 at 4:53 pm)Aegon Wrote: Why are you necroing all these threads man.
I dunno!! Going through memory lane.
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 5:03 pm
(February 14, 2012 at 2:26 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Then they look for evidence. As philosophical arguments are not convincing, the person ends up becoming agnostic. Then they develop a distance from God, have no relationship, and it feels natural to want arguments against God to be sound and valid. The person moves from being agnostic, to that of atheist is the strong sense.
But if we went back to the first step, and the person thought perhaps God gave him knowledge of himself, and that it was properly basic, in the same way knowledge of morality is properly basic, and doesn't need a formal argument or deduction or justification, and it's a warranted belief. Then the person could have really asked himself the next question, "Do I know God exists?".
I believed in god for nearly 20 years even though there was no relationship. I talked to him all the time but never heard anything back. Even if he does exist, he clearly has no interest in a relationship with me. I never even "felt god" whatever the hell that would feel like. I witnessed other Pentacostal's that admitted that they were taking a feeling of excitement and labelling that "God".
Clearly if god exists he wants to see other followers. I don't believe he does. Either way I have more useful pursuits to devote my time to.
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm
(April 23, 2018 at 5:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 23, 2018 at 4:53 pm)Aegon Wrote: Why are you necroing all these threads man.
I dunno!! Going through memory lane.
And starving for attention from us. You want this to always be about you. And you know what, it's fucking annoying me.
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 5:14 pm
(April 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (April 23, 2018 at 5:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I dunno!! Going through memory lane.
And starving for attention from us. You want this to always be about you. And you know what, it's fucking annoying me. Nah, I understand the nothing personal approach, like Mohammad (peace be upon him) was told "for they do not deny you but rather the unjust deny the signs of God".
You guys hate the proofs I offer, nothing against me. Don't worry, I know, you don't like the guy upstairs, not me. 
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 6:13 pm
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(April 23, 2018 at 5:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: [...]like Mohammad (peace be upon him)
lol
(April 23, 2018 at 5:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Don't worry, I know, you don't like the guy upstairs, not me.
So, the other day, (was it yesterday?) I asked why you think it's possible to hate something or someone you don't believe in. How is that possible?
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 6:29 pm
Actually I didn't think about either.
My first questions were "Does this make sense?"
In the end, i came to the conclusion that it did not.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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RE: "How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism
April 23, 2018 at 6:35 pm
Right, if the meaning and metaphysics can't even be gotten right then you don't even need to get to questions of knowledge.
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