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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 2, 2012 at 9:25 am
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(March 1, 2012 at 11:54 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Totally missed the point guys. You are not obligated to respect beliefs, true, but you might learn why some beliefs are worthy of your respect. The situation in reverse is this. If some believers gave serious consideration to the nuanced arguments against religious belief perhaps they would respect the atheists here by not presenting lame proofs all the time. Likewise if you did study divinity you might not be so quick to dismiss everything you disagree with as "bullshit". You could still disagree with religious belief, but you might understand better how reasonable intelligent people can believe in God. I'm here to study the questions and maybe learn something. If I'm Mr. Philosophy then good, because I love wisdom and wish I had more.
It would still be dismissed as bullshit because that is what it is. If a theist admits their belief is faith based and not scientific, reasonable or logical, most of us would have no problem with that.
BTW, if you think we should respect chiapet for his beliefs you are crazy. He is neither reasonable, intelligent, respectful or a person.
(March 2, 2012 at 12:27 am)Rhythm Wrote: Stop demanding that others provide you with answers you could easily find yourself. Why should we be responsible for dealing with your shortcomings? You can't even be bothered to google, you're lucky anyone is speaking to you at all.
I mentioned some evidence right here in this thread. The fucking retarded chimp is a lame ass troll.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 3, 2012 at 11:13 pm
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All this talk of "x is shrinking/slowing so the Earth can't be old or we'd all have been vapourised/drowned" is as silly as "the tide is going out at such-and-such a rate, thus last week the whole Earth must have been flooded". And for exactly the same reasons.
Also: Erwin Hubble? Erwin? Edwin's older brother who was never allowed out of the attic and whose only claim to fame is the invention of the BBT sandwich?
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 3, 2012 at 11:15 pm
You're thinking of a different guy, Erwin Hubble didn't invent the BBT sandwhich, he was a Nazi tank commander.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 3, 2012 at 11:23 pm
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Ah, gotcha. Dunno who the hell I'm thinking of then.
Also: God won. Not God winned. Dear oh dear.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 4, 2012 at 1:58 am
(March 3, 2012 at 11:13 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Also: Erwin Hubble? Erwin? Edwin's older brother who was never allowed out of the attic and whose only claim to fame is the invention of the BBT sandwich?
Sorry, my bad.
That was a typo 
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 4, 2012 at 2:01 am
No problem Zen, I was only foolin'. You gave me the feed and I couldn't resist.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 4, 2012 at 2:06 am
(March 4, 2012 at 2:01 am)Stimbo Wrote: No problem Zen, I was only foolin'. You gave me the feed and I couldn't resist.
Yoy're still wrong about the BBT sandwich tho.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 4, 2012 at 2:12 am
How about Bacon, Bacon and Throw away the bread?
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 4, 2012 at 2:13 am
(March 2, 2012 at 8:15 am)Zen Badger Wrote: To refute your objections....
(March 1, 2012 at 7:00 am)chipan Wrote: Ok finen the sun is shrinking at a rate that if you go back to 14 billion years ago the sun would almost be touching where the earth is. Claim CE310:
The sun is shrinking at such a rate that it would disappear completely in 100,000 years. This would make it impossibly large and hot in the distant past if the sun is millions of years old.
Source:
Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 169.
Response:
This assumes that the rate of shrinkage is constant. That assumption is baseless. (In fact, it is the uniformitarian assumption that creationists themselves sometimes complain about.) Other stars expand and contract cyclically. Our own sun might do the same on a small scale.
There is not even any good evidence of shrinkage. The claim is based on a single report from 1980. Other measurements, from 1980 and later, do not show any significant shrinkage. It is likely that the original report showing shrinkage contained systematic errors due to different measuring techniquies over the decades.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html
(March 1, 2012 at 7:00 am)chipan Wrote: For carbon 14 in the atmosphere being produced and decaying it would eventually reach a state of equalibrium. Scientists estemated this to be at about 50000 years, but we're not there yet. The amount of carbon 14 is increasing. It has not had enough time to reach equalibrium.
This one is a bit longer so I'll just post the link.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/d...brium.html
(March 1, 2012 at 7:00 am)chipan Wrote: The earth is slightly slowing its rotation. If you were to go back a couple billion years the earth would have the rotation of Jupiter. This would be devastating to earths atmosphere. The earth's rotation is slowing at a rate of about 0.005 seconds per year per year. This extrapolates to the earth having a fourteen-hour day 4.6 billion years ago, which is entirely possible.
The rate at which the earth is slowing today is higher than average because the present rate of spin is in resonance with the back-and-forth movement of the oceans.
Fossil rugose corals preserve daily and yearly growth patterns and show that the day was about 22 hours long 370 million years ago, in rough agreement with the 22.7 hours predicted from a constant rate of slowing (Scrutton 1964; Wells 1963).
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html
There, all of your objections refuted.
Next please.
(March 2, 2012 at 8:07 am)frankiej Wrote: (March 2, 2012 at 8:05 am)chipan Wrote: I was saying they don't support BBT
A Bacon, Basil and Tomato sandwich? That has relativity written all over it, baby.
No you fool!!!
Bacon,bacon and tomato sandwich(preferably with added bacon)
(March 2, 2012 at 8:05 am)chipan Wrote: I was not saying those theories of relativity aren't true. I was saying they don't support BBT
Did you know that one result of Einsteins work on general relavity was that the universe must be expanding?
Einstein at first refused to believe that this was the case and introduced what he called "the cosmological constant" in order to cancel out the expansion.
It wasn't until red shift was observed in distant galaxies by Erwin Hubble that Einstein realised that his initial calculations had been right all along.
He was later to call it the biggest blunder of his life.
Oh, by the way. BBT predicted not only the CMB but calculated its temperature, which turned out to almost spot on 
So what if the universe is expanding? What does that prove? That galexies are moving away. That they were closer but we don't know exactly how close. It's purr speculation to say because they are moving away that they were once together. It's as much speculation as all those pieces of evidence you said "it is not constant." and by the way, the irregular decreasing of the strength of the earths magnetic will affect how much carbon 14 existed thousands of years ago making it appear that they are tens of thousands of years old. You brought that up yourself.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
March 4, 2012 at 2:23 am
(March 4, 2012 at 2:13 am)chipan Wrote: It's purr speculation
Now your a fucking cat?
Read this quote very carefully and you might understand why you are worthy of nothing but disrespect and derision.
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In case you are to fucking brain dead to figure it out, you are one of those that invalidates reason.
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