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RE: Christian Lies versus Biblical Truth
March 7, 2012 at 10:49 am
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2012 at 10:50 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You both keep talking about the guy like you watch the monday night game together...hehehe.
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RE: Christian Lies versus Biblical Truth
March 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm
“You assume that Jesus was talking about the people crucifying him…Jesus was asking God to forgive the disciples” – bob
Call me ignorant, but I am not aware of any scriptural support for this statement. In addressing His persecutors directly, Jesus also addressed indirectly all of humanity. He makes the statement from His own humanity which He shed by glorification.
“God did not pass the judgement over to Jesus until after he ascended into heaven after being raised from the dead.” - bob
The statement sets up a subject-object distinction between the Son and the Father, in which one entity is the judge and another is the judged. How can anyone reading this not conclude that you’re describing the relationship between two distinct entities? Your interpretation destroys the unity of God, a typical Trinitarian error.
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RE: Christian Lies versus Biblical Truth
March 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Wasn't addressing me, I had no part and I want no part. I'm just not cool with crucifying someone, I'm not cool with "suicide by cop", and I'm definitely not a big fan of scapegoating. So, perhaps he was addressing you and yours (since you seem to think this was somehow a good thing), but not me and mine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Christian Lies versus Biblical Truth
March 7, 2012 at 10:43 pm
(March 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm)bob Wrote: 1. God did not pass the judgement over to Jesus until after he ascended into heaven after being raised from the dead.
What scripture are you reading? Can you cite chapter and verse? Yahweh, the father, IS Jesus and he makes it clear he doesn't "pass judgement over" to anyone. See Isaiah 43:10-12.
The proper way to read the passage of Luke cited is that Jesus, when asking the Father to forgive us (for it is we who crucified Jesus by our sinful ways), he is speaking as one who is the Son, separate and distinct from the Father. When he forgives sins, that's when he's God, united and one with the Father. That he can be both at once is part of the mystery of the Trinity.
Quote:2. You assume that Jesus was talking about the people crucifying him. (this is a common misinterpretation from people who are ignorant of scripture).
Jesus was asking God to forgive the disciples, who all except John fled in fear of being killed themselves for being his followers.
As I said above, we are the ones who crucified Jesus. If we were not sinners, no sacrifice would be necessary to persuade Yahweh to forgive us. Still, I'm glad that Adam did bring sin into the world. Otherwise, Jesus would have never come to save us from sin and we wouldn't have had the Lord's demonstration of love so beautifully captured in the two hour snuff film of Mel Gibson.
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RE: Christian Lies versus Biblical Truth
March 11, 2012 at 9:01 am
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You made two critical errors in your uneducated rant.
1. God did not pass the judgement over to Jesus until after he ascended into heaven after being raised from the dead.
2. You assume that Jesus was talking about the people crucifying him. (this is a common misinterpretation from people who are ignorant of scripture).
Jesus was asking God to forgive the disciples, who all except John fled in fear of being killed themselves for being his followers.
eg. Peter denying he knew Jesus 3 times
Even though they were cowardly at the time, they were still believers.
Jesus was not talking about anyone who was around the cross, he was talking about the ones who weren't.
Nice try though.
Actually - YOU have made several errors in your rant
1 - No god is proven to exist
2 - The christ is still another fictitious character who is genetically impossible -among other things
The christ is claimed to be human - but is also claimed to be able to raise a rotting corpse from the grave - something NO human can do. IF the christ was actually god - he could NOT die on a cross - gods supposedly cannot die.
So - the christ itself is a contradiction that cannot be true.
The claim that the christ was BOTH god and human cannot be true - since there are things that are exclusive to one that cannot be true of the claims of the other (GOds cannot be proven to exist - humans can be - among others)
AS far as YOUR SPIN on the things - that is typical religious Fal De Rol -
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