Poll to see where you stand!

[Rokcet Scientist]

As such, we've seen fit to replace this system by another one.

Already? I must have missed that...

[kılıç_mehmet]

As such, we've seen fit to replace this system by another one.

Already? I must have missed that...

Well, you can have your democracy.
As I said, I only care about the wellbeing of my own people as to provide them with an honest political system.
Democracy is a very dishonest, and fraudelent system, that rewards people for lying.

[reverendjeremiah]

As such, we've seen fit to replace this system by another one.

Already? I must have missed that...

Well, you can have your democracy.
As I said, I only care about the wellbeing of my own people as to provide them with an honest political system.
Democracy is a very dishonest, and fraudelent system, that rewards people for lying.

Like your system is lie and fraud proof... puff your chest out some more

[The Grand Nudger]

We're all well enough rewarded for lying regardless of any political system, or we wouldn't do it as often, even to ourselves tares at Mehm:.

[kılıç_mehmet]

As such, we've seen fit to replace this system by another one.

Already? I must have missed that...

Well, you can have your democracy.
As I said, I only care about the wellbeing of my own people as to provide them with an honest political system.
Democracy is a very dishonest, and fraudelent system, that rewards people for lying.

Like your system is lie and fraud proof... puff your chest out some more

Our system tells no lies.
We only speak the truth, unlike some people who cling to lies.

We're all well enough rewarded for lying regardless of any political system, or we wouldn't do it as often, even to ourselves tares at Mehm:.

I do not lie to myself. If I did, I'd be very akin to you guys.

[reverendjeremiah]

Our system tells no lies.

BULLSHIT! Either you are a fool or you are lying.

We only speak the truth, unlike some people who cling to lies.

Yeah, I was right on both of them. You are a foolish liar.


At least with anarchism the fraud and lies are not instituted and funded by your tax money. At least with anarchism the liars and fraud makers are not given power, or that you have to choose between one liar and one fraud...or, in your case, be permanently stuck with a lying fraud tyrant in power over you for life.

You on the other hand would empower a lifelong lying fraud tyrant, and then claim he doesnt lie or cause fraud even though it would be obvious that he does such...all in the name of preserving Turkish nationalism.


Foolish liar... just like all the other fascists.

[kılıç_mehmet]

BULLSHIT! Either you are a fool or you are lying.

You do not even know our system, so maybe you should shut up and listen for a while, maybe you can learn something.

At least with anarchism the fraud and lies are not instituted and funded by your tax money. At least with anarchism the liars and fraud makers are not given power, or that you have to choose between one liar and one fraud...or, in your case, be permanently stuck with a lying fraud tyrant in power over you for life.

In anarchy, everyone is free to overthrow the other. There is no law and order, and therefore, there is no need to lie either, there is only barbarism.

You on the other hand would empower a lifelong lying fraud tyrant, and then claim he doesnt lie or cause fraud even though it would be obvious that he does such...all in the name of preserving Turkish nationalism.

Who is this lifelong lying fraud tyrant that you speak of? We do not have such a person on the top of our heads. We do not idolize leaders, as leaders are at the end, there to serve the Turks, not to be served by the Turks.
Throughout the ages of Turkish history, no ruler has ever been above the law, nor had the autority to flaunt the law. Even those who were given supreme powers by their people, knew that the people were able to take it away. As our great forefather Atatürk said: "The people can make me leave if they want to."

Besides, Turkish nationalism cannot be preserved if the people do not want to preserve it. If I wouldn't be a staunch nationalist, if my peers at the ocak wouldn't be staunch nationalists like myself, who would be there to preserve our people, our language and our culture? If there weren't the multitudes who stand still while they pass by a school where our national anthem is sung, who would be there to preserve our spirit?

It is the people who empower nationalist ideologies, not leaders. This, you cannot understand.
Even Hitler came to power with the support of the German people.
If the Germans did not support him, than who did?
Just like that, Turkish nationalism is kept alive by the people, for the people.
Not by leaders for personal gain.

Foolish liar... just like all the other fascists.

You are an old man, that's why I don't want to be disrespectful, but you're slowly getting on my nerves with your generic "omg fascist" bullshit.
I think that your anarchism only goes as far as your words go. Nowhere.

[reverendjeremiah]

[kılıç_mehmet]

[reverendjeremiah]

And may I ask you, have you ever read İsa Yusuf Akçura, Ziya Gökalp, H. N. Atsız, İsa Yusuf Alptekin, İsmail Gaspıralı and other Turkist intellectuals?
I guess not. Read "Üç Tarz-ı Siyaset".....

Why do i need to read them? All they will do is argue that somehow their "race" gives them a "right" over the land. they dont own that land. Look at your long drawn out history post of how the land has been renamed this and that, and you dont agree with it being this or that...

YOU...CANT....OWN...LAND...

therefore nationalism is just like believing in god...it is a delusion.

Truthfully, some people still cannot get over the fact that these lands are ours

Let me guess: ALLAH gave you those lands?

amiright?

did your imaginary friend tell you that you own those lands? No? So you are claiming a "racial" tie to the land? How does your "race" give you claim to that land?

Like I said before..nationalism is a sickness. Thinking that you own land is a delusion. Mehmet, you are sorely ignorant and delusional.

And therefore, it's not possible. A hierarchy exists in nature aswell

Really? Besides an alpha males forced ability to rape as many females as he wants, exactly where do you find heirarchy in nature? The queen of a hive isnt even seen to have authority. She is a prisoner of forced rape and reproduction. I suggest you get an education about these things before you try to hold a conversation about them and make yourself look more of an ass than you already do.

If there is no government, no ruling body, who maintains and enforces order?

humanity

If there is no hierarchy, who will guarantee and protect your freedoms?

With no heirarchy, then freedom has been acheived. Insert a heirarchy and freedom has been removed. You are delusional and have been convinced that slavery equals freedom.

Break your chains.

Live and let live. And how do you think that extends on property?

Have you been paying attention? There is no such thing as "property". It is a delusion. You dont own it. Nobody can own it.

Do I live by your pity, that I should die with your disdain, foolish old man?

Most nationalists will kill their elderly because they see them as a drain on society.

Foolish as to trust people who have no blood association with eachother to watch eachother's backs? Nationalism is the cure to the world's problems.

Look at the racism come out of this one. Racist fascist who hints at genocide. You fucking disgust me.

It was nationalism which gave us the power to free ourselves from the grasp of the imperialists.

right...LOL...because nationalism has NOTHING to do with imperialism...LOL...

as that land is occupied by people of my own blood.

I am of your blood. Everyone on this planet is of your blood. You are a scientific illiterate.

Your claims that nobody can own a land sound like noble savage garbage.

Right...because Jesus, er, I mean Allah granted your people the ownership of the land. Yet strangely turks have not been able to keep it. Gee, I wonder why?

Maybe because they dont own it?

Even animals have their own territories to which they lay claim on and protect it with brute force against any invaders.

Oh, I see. It isnt because of Allah or blood...its because your people have pissed all over Turkey. That makes it yours.
Last I checked animals piss on everything and consider everything their property...just like you consider Turkey your property...yet you call ME a savage.
Fascism and racism sucks a donkey dick