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Atheist Billboard
#21
RE: Atheist Billboard
And this is a reason to "tread lightly" around an issue??
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#22
RE: Atheist Billboard
I'm not saying that the billboard should need to tread lightly. All I'm saying is, is that this outcome should have been foreseen, and in the interest of getting a better message across to those who you want to receive the message, they could of just chose a different bloody picture.
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#23
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I think it is an apt picture given Americas history.... religion is no better than the "Slave years"
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#24
RE: Atheist Billboard
(March 18, 2012 at 10:35 am)Napoleon Wrote:
(March 18, 2012 at 10:30 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The only issue I see is that America has a guilty conscience

And that many Black Americans still hold a grudge.

Yet they embrace the religion of the white Europeans who enslaved black americans and oppressed their culture in the first place, the theology of which says implies it was perfectly OK for them to do so.

Pretty stupid imo


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#25
RE: Atheist Billboard
...... Dunno
all in an effort to "fit in an be accepted"
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#26
RE: Atheist Billboard
(March 18, 2012 at 10:52 am)Xavier Wrote: Pretty stupid imo

Not disagreeing with you there.
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#27
RE: Atheist Billboard
Napoleon Wrote:I'm not saying that the billboard should need to tread lightly. All I'm saying is, is that this outcome should have been foreseen, and in the interest of getting a better message across to those who you want to receive the message, they could of just chose a different bloody picture.

^^This. Regardless whether people are justified in being offended, the people behind this billboard should have had the foresight to realize that their message was going to be completely overlooked due to what would be perceived as an offensive image. Part of sending a message is proper communication, and communication is a two-way street. This means you have to craft your message in a way that people are going to be receptive to.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#28
RE: Atheist Billboard
(March 18, 2012 at 10:52 am)Xavier Wrote:
(March 18, 2012 at 10:35 am)Napoleon Wrote:
(March 18, 2012 at 10:30 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The only issue I see is that America has a guilty conscience

And that many Black Americans still hold a grudge.

Yet they embrace the religion of the white Europeans who enslaved black americans and oppressed their culture in the first place, the theology of which says implies it was perfectly OK for them to do so.

Pretty stupid imo


I happen to be an African American female atheist. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of black Americans will not understand the message of that billboard because they truly believe that the Bible-god freed them from slavery as Moses' god allegedly did for the Israelites. What they don't understand is that the same god who "freed" them also commanded slavery. Trust me, they have too thick of a mental block to ever get it. It's a shame.
God is a personification of ourselves, what we wish to be, and that which we do not understand.
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#29
RE: Atheist Billboard
(March 18, 2012 at 9:02 am)Tiberius Wrote:
(March 17, 2012 at 12:03 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: They chose the wrong image

I disagree. The quote was about slaves, the image was of a slave. It's America, so whenever people think about slavery they think of the African slaves that were brought over. Makes perfect sense to use that image.

The problem is that rather than reacting to the fact that the Bible clearly condones slavery, they ignore the point of the billboard and take the quote as a racist statement from the owner.

I understand that what you are saying sounds completely logical to someone living in England, but over here in america it is a powder keg. Because they used that image, the entire message was lost. Because of that picture, it gave EVERYONE an excuse to ignore that the bible condoned and even helped price slaves. You saw the news footages. How many of them actually pointed out the bible passage or mention "Hey, the atheists are right, the bible does condone slavery"....NONE. Our media is sensationalist Tiberius. They would rather have clips of people crying or getting really mad instead of actually doing any responsible journalism.

Tiberius, your BBC is VASTLY superior to all of America's news outlets combined.
(March 18, 2012 at 11:28 am)Faith No More Wrote:
Napoleon Wrote:I'm not saying that the billboard should need to tread lightly. All I'm saying is, is that this outcome should have been foreseen, and in the interest of getting a better message across to those who you want to receive the message, they could of just chose a different bloody picture.

^^This. Regardless whether people are justified in being offended, the people behind this billboard should have had the foresight to realize that their message was going to be completely overlooked due to what would be perceived as an offensive image. Part of sending a message is proper communication, and communication is a two-way street. This means you have to craft your message in a way that people are going to be receptive to.

EXACTLY. They fucked up with their communication. They didnt study what the audience would respond to. They had a chance to appear as the good guys but instead prefered to go for the "shock factor" route.

I wonder how many people think all atheists are racist now after this major fuck up by American Atheists.
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#30
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(March 18, 2012 at 11:32 am)Freedom Wrote:
(March 18, 2012 at 10:52 am)Xavier Wrote: Yet they embrace the religion of the white Europeans who enslaved black americans and oppressed their culture in the first place, the theology of which says implies it was perfectly OK for them to do so.

Pretty stupid imo


I happen to be an African American female atheist. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of black Americans will not understand the message of that billboard because they truly believe that the Bible-god freed them from slavery as Moses' god allegedly did for the Israelites. What they don't understand is that the same god who "freed" them also commanded slavery. Trust me, they have too thick of a mental block to ever get it. It's a shame.

I second this.

"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."

-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
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