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Dilemma for theists!
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 C Rod Wrote:Deeper sense of morality from a christian standpoint must be recognized. Why? Because you say so? Doing something just to save your soul or because you believe your savior wants you to is not a deeper sense of morality. It is pandering to your deity. A deeper sense of morality would be if you could figure out why to do good on your own. Also, our reasons for our actions do very much matter. That is why we differentiate between manslaughter and murder.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (March 29, 2012 at 8:09 am)Faith No More Wrote:C Rod Wrote:Deeper sense of morality from a christian standpoint must be recognized. And why would you do good on your own? To be unselfish so you might be more thoroughly selfish or because it makes you feel good. Tell me this increased sense of morality discovered with the purest intentions and deepest insight. BTW, a christian morality describe by Jesus and accepted by me is turn the cheek, if somebody takes your robe, give them your cloak too. Give away all your possessions and love everyone. This morality is quite different. Are they still not punished for either crimes? Does the severity of the punishment correct the criminal's behavior?
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart "You are wise, witty and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of stuff.”- Frank Crane RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2012 at 9:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I'm sure that there is a poor child somewhere who's grades (and thusly the rest of their life) would improve if you donated you computer to that family (in the spirit of giving your things away). Quality of the forums would improve as well. To answer you questions. Not always, and apparently not.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (March 27, 2012 at 8:32 am)Rhythm Wrote: Socialist means "not a christian"- Completely wrong. Socialism means that someone else knows how to spend your money than you do and get rich while they do it. RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 30, 2012 at 12:04 am
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2012 at 12:05 am by C Rod.)
(March 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm sure that there is a poor child somewhere who's grades (and thusly the rest of their life) would improve if you donated you computer to that family (in the spirit of giving your things away). Quality of the forums would improve as well. To answer you questions. Not always, and apparently not. But would that be morale?
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart "You are wise, witty and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of stuff.”- Frank Crane RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 30, 2012 at 12:30 am
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2012 at 12:35 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Laying aside cheap spelling related jokes, that would be a matter of opinion. You painted the picture, you tell me. Forgive me if I'm a little less than convinced that you (or anyone that blathers on about it, really), have "accepted" this moral code. Sure, I see alot of people who love to talk about how great it is, but I don't see too many people engaged in the actual doing. Seems a bit like window dressing on the front face of a porn shop to me. All hearts and love on the exterior, same "products" on sale inside.
In short, holier than thou shit that some like to say, but probably won't be caught doing anytime soon. :edit to be child friendly.....lol:
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 30, 2012 at 8:11 am
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2012 at 8:11 am by Faith No More.)
C Roed Wrote:And why would you do good on your own? To be unselfish so you might be more thoroughly selfish or because it makes you feel good. Tell me this increased sense of morality discovered with the purest intentions and deepest insight. BTW, a christian morality describe by Jesus and accepted by me is turn the cheek, if somebody takes your robe, give them your cloak too. Give away all your possessions and love everyone. This morality is quite different. I do good on my own out of an understanding that it makes people feel better. I admit that makes me feel better too, but that is quite different from only doing good because I believe it will procure a place in paradise for my eternal soul. Give away all your posessions, huh? I assume you have done this then? C Rod Wrote:Are they still not punished for either crimes? Does the severity of the punishment correct the criminal's behavior? I'm not sure what this has to do with our intentions being relevant to the moral standing of our actions.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Simple question that's just occurred to me.. Just for theists!! This is much like the question of whether God can make a rock so big he cannot move it--not really worth thinking about because it relies on faulty logic. Besides most theists would also want to save all the theists that are not true believers. Atheists are just a drop in the bucket of all the heathens needing saved. :)
This is much like the question of god, not worth thinking about because it relies on faulty logic.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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