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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 8:19 pm
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You won't be able to demonstrate that in a single case. You could easily demonstrate that passing on "god's anything" is dangerous in the presence of fundie assholes, but that's as far as it will go, and that isn't exactly a flattering appraisal of the situation. You still haven't dented my question one bit. If god's forgiveness is love is morality is forgetting, whew, what a mouthful, then why not simply forget? Why the theatrics? Why scapegoating and magic? I can forget without either, do it all the time. I cant remember half the shit that "people have done to me". I wouldn't actually know that if people didn't remind me. The same is true for "what I have done". While we're at it, how does god forget, exactly? Can you explain the process?
(Just so we're perfectly clear, I don't think you have any answers to offer me. Not a one, not about anything. It's astonishing to me how many words the faithful can string together without saying anything at all. Of course, I would be delighted to be completely wrong on this one.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 9:12 pm
(April 17, 2012 at 8:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You won't be able to demonstrate that in a single case. You could easily demonstrate that passing on "god's anything" is dangerous in the presence of fundie assholes, but that's as far as it will go, and that isn't exactly a flattering appraisal of the situation. You still haven't dented my question one bit. If god's forgiveness is love is morality is forgetting, whew, what a mouthful, then why not simply forget? Why the theatrics? Why scapegoating and magic? I can forget without either, do it all the time. I cant remember half the shit that "people have done to me". I wouldn't actually know that if people didn't remind me. The same is true for "what I have done". While we're at it, how does god forget, exactly? Can you explain the process?
(Just so we're perfectly clear, I don't think you have any answers to offer me. Not a one, not about anything. It's astonishing to me how many words the faithful can string together without saying anything at all. Of course, I would be delighted to be completely wrong on this one.)
It's not as simple as forgetting, you must ask forgiveness through Jesus, that's you telling God you want what He offers. There 's no theatrics, scapegoating or magic all that stuffs in your mind, it has nothing to do with reality. Here's your freewill, either except or reject what God offers, He will give you your choice, outside of that your freewill exists only in God's will. If your decision through your will is against God's will, your will is not free or even exist, not without a great price.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 9:17 pm
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I've been saying this all along GC, the whole crucifixion and vicarious salvation bit is just in some folks heads, nothing to do with reality. My argument is that it shouldn't be, because it's disgusting (even if it were true).
God offers nothing, your god doesn't exist. Scapegoating is what I have an issue with. That does exist.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm
(April 17, 2012 at 9:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I've been saying this all along GC, the whole crucifixion and vicarious salvation bit is just in some folks heads, nothing to do with reality. My argument is that it shouldn't be, because it's disgusting (even if it were true).
God offers nothing, your god doesn't exist. Scapegoating is what I have an issue with. That does exist.
Then you will believe what you will and I will go on knowing the truth. Do not know that we have anything else to discuss.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 9:45 pm
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If you can't establish that your claims have any truth to them then no, we don't. At least not with regards to the "witnessy" shit your peddling. We can still discuss how utterly disgusting this whole business of scapegoating is as an example of morality.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 9:58 pm
@GC
Well?
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm
(April 17, 2012 at 9:58 pm)genkaus Wrote: @GC
Well?
Well what?
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm
(April 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Well what?
Are you going to answer my questions?
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Is he going to answer anyone's questions? No, of course not, he doesn't have any answers.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 10:37 pm
(April 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm)genkaus Wrote: (April 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Well what?
Are you going to answer my questions?
I answered your question, I'm sorry if you can not accept it for an answer, though it is true I've not asked you to believe it.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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