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On Evil
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RE: On Evil
I would like to point out that I am talking about evil in a purely human context. Yes, evil changes depending upon the views of society and the individual. However, this does not mean evil does not exist. Reality itself is changed depending on the individual viewpoint. For instance, a person who suffers from arachnophobia will see the spider in the room as large, threatening and dominant, whilst a person without this phobia may not notice the spider at all. The two different peoples situation has changed due to their different perspectives on reality. In this case, the spider is subjective. The spider still exists, but is viewed completely differently by the two people in the room. In the same way evil is ever changing, but to say that this changing nature means evil is non-existent would be false.

Another point I would like to make is that there are no evil people. Actions are evil or good, but as no-one commits only evil or only good actions, no-one can be considered rightly be considered good or evil without missing out a side to their nature. This means that people must be considered not as evil, but as a person who commits more evil acts that good. This is far less like a whitewash than just labeling people good or evil.

Ledo said that Hitler and Stalin considered themselves to be doing good. That is true, but if we left people to self-convict there would be very few people in our jails! In the end they harmed many people with a conscious will. This means they can not rightly be considered 'good'.

Under my definition of evil,


any direct or indirect action which leads to the intentional harming, both emotionally and physically, of another consciousness

Means that nature can not commit evil because, as atheists would be the first to point out, nature does not have a consciousness hence e is unable to harm anyone intentionally
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#12
RE: On Evil
(May 26, 2009 at 5:45 am)dagda Wrote: Under my definition of evil, any direct or indirect action which leads to the intentional harming, both emotionally and physically, of another consciousness

Agree with you totally there Dagda. Good defintion of what evil is, do I think.

(May 26, 2009 at 5:45 am)dagda Wrote: Means that nature can not commit evil because, as atheists would be the first to point out, nature does not have a consciousness hence e is unable to harm anyone intentionally

Exactly right. Humans are pretty much the only one that can commit evil, plus dolphins and apes too of course.
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#13
RE: On Evil
OK, so your definition of evil is not as unreasonable as I first thought and for making that assumption I apologise.

(May 26, 2009 at 5:45 am)dagda Wrote: any direct or indirect action which leads to the intentional harming, both emotionally and physically, of another consciousness

Understandable but, IMO, too simplistic ... some people just need killing!

Kyu
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#14
RE: On Evil
But the thing is though...there is no OBJECTIVE 'Evil' that we have evidence of....

Fine if he claims this as a SUBjective definition...but from the first post it seems to me that he believes in objective evil!

Where's the evidence for THAT? (As with God lol).

EvF
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#15
RE: On Evil
Quote:some people just need killing!

Kyu, you can truly say that again....I have a list going from over the past 33 years that I have been keeping up with...Does that make me "Evil" or better yet, an "Immoral" human being? LOLDevil
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#16
RE: On Evil
Depends on the subjective definition of "Evil" Thinking Devil

Tongue

EvF
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#17
RE: On Evil
It would also depend on the reason behind why some people just need killing....lol

There is one idiot in Ohio that's running a Museum with Saddles strapped to their dinosaurs.......LOLOLOL
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#18
RE: On Evil
Fred Phelps is the biggest religious C**T that I think of right now!

'Gramps' the fucking GIT!

EvF
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#19
RE: On Evil
Fred Phelps and his inbred daughter would be 1st and 2nd place, and the man I was speaking of in Ohio is Ken Ham...

All three of these tards are sick in the head...
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#20
RE: On Evil
They are morons, sure, but why would you want to kill them just for having an ignorant opinion?
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