Armageddon: The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

[michaelsherlock]

I decided to write this article to point out the danger of the Armageddon, not as a prophecy which will come to fruition as a result of divine forces

I predict the Sun will, in about 1.5 billion years, start burning more helium than hydrogen. And during this process the sun will get so hot it will vaporize all life on this planet. Then when the sun nears it's end, it will begin to expand and then possibly consume what's left of Earth, or leave it to a slow atomic decaying death in the dimly lit light of a white dwarf star.

And it is this kind of knowledge that led to the birth of what we now call, "the prophets". Excellent example Jackel.

[Minimalist]

Bart does believe in a historical Jesus.

When are you going to learn that "belief" is fucking worthless?

I would never ignore your posts. You are way too much fun.

[TheJackel]

Bart does believe in a historical Jesus.

When are you going to learn that "belief" is fucking worthless?

I would never ignore your posts. You are way too much fun.

I agree with this statement only to a point as I do believe belief isn't worthless. It depends on what kind of belief you are talking about. Empirically supported belief isn't worthless. See, science gives me something I can believe in vs something I some how must believe on blind faith because some ignorant man in a robe tells me to. I can wake up in the morning knowing the sun will begin to rise above the distant horizon at the crack of dawn, and I don't need blind faith to believe it will. And science tells me why empirically.

[Godscreated]

Bart does believe in a historical Jesus.

When are you going to learn that "belief" is fucking worthless?

I would never ignore your posts. You are way too much fun.

Does this mean you and Bart have split ways.

[TheJackel]

Bart does believe in a historical Jesus.

When are you going to learn that "belief" is fucking worthless?

I would never ignore your posts. You are way too much fun.

Does this mean you and Bart have split ways.

BTW there is no historical Jesus if you go by actual empirical evidence, and the fact that Jesus is pretty much a ripped copy of the Mithra's and Horus.

[NoMoreFaith]

I would say the Horus comparisons are a little sketchy. Resurrections are common as dirt, and its only one guy who claimed he had 12 disciples and blah blah blah.

I'm up for debunking Jesus as the next guy, but that one really lacks solid evidence.

Mithras on the other hand it much more solid.

[michaelsherlock]

I would say the Horus comparisons are a little sketchy. Resurrections are common as dirt, and its only one guy who claimed he had 12 disciples and blah blah blah.

I'm up for debunking Jesus as the next guy, but that one really lacks solid evidence.

Mithras on the other hand it much more solid.

I think the issue is a little more complex. The mythology of Christ seems to be a composite of many ancient god-men/gods. Bits from here and there. The best way, I have found, to approach it, is by disecting the Christ myth and comparing each aspect or motif to those of former, and even contemporary characters. Also, look into the hero archetype and read, Otto, Campbell, Jung, for example. This is the way I go about it, and the results are rather convincing.

[Minimalist]

Bart does believe in a historical Jesus.

When are you going to learn that "belief" is fucking worthless?

I would never ignore your posts. You are way too much fun.

Does this mean you and Bart have split ways.

It's not news. He had a whole chapter on jesus bullshit in Jesus Interrupted. It was unconvincing then and it is apparently a warming over of the same old shit.
More argument than evidence which is all you clowns can ever do.

Still, in his field of dissecting your fucking gospel silliness he is unsurpassed.

He should stick with it and leave fairy tales to the kindergarten teachers.

[TheJackel]

Well, here is my understanding of the Horus and Mithra link below:

note: that all of this is coming from a conversation with a guy named "ndeepnow". Hence a conversation I already had here: http://matt-mattjwest.newsvine.com/_news...he-details

Abstract:

And there is good enough evidence to suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a story stolen from the Egyptian religion and other beliefs. More specifically, a sun GOD that is turned into the Son of GOD..

John 8:12

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

And where do you think the term "Light" comes from ndeepnow? These people didn't have electricity back then, and the main source of light for the world was? Yep, the SUN!. Or why Jesus is more often depicted with the Egyptain sun god symbol or Halo around his head?. Oh and there is more.. Like how Jesus's birthday is made to coincide with Christmas.. And I quote someone else here:

the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th. The following are the characteristics of the "sun of God":

The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
The sun is the "Light of the World."
The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The sun "walks on water."
The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.

Or we get:

Gnostic Christians: With stories, myths and beliefs that are exactly the same as Christian ones in many of the little details, gnostic beliefs manage to pre-date Christians ones by over 200 years. They understood what the stories of the NT really meant. Jesus didn't really exist, but was a collection of such earlier stories, rewritten in Greek, with Greek names. This is the approach taken by historians such as Freke & Gandy.

here is a few visual videos that shows where many Christian elements may or likely have come from to which includes Jesus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CWBKRWIg0&f
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZmsRUmuWU

That part of the world was so internconnected that they literally influenced each other. And there is the Mithra's :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1Grl4HSRU&

And you even get this example not mentioned in the video.. Can you tell me which one is from the Mithra's and which is from the bible? :

"He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made one with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation."

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"I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you.

Mithra had 12 "companions" or "disciples." Furthermore, the motif of the 12 disciples or followers in a "last supper" is recurrent in the Pagan world, including within Mithraism. Mark gave Jesus a last supper with twelve followers, identical in every way with the last supper of the Persian god Mithra, down to the bread and wine. The Spartan King Kleomenes had held a similar last supper with twelve followers four hundred years before Jesus. So yes indeed it is true that these sort of beliefs ect existed long before Jesus ever supposedly existed..

Here is another good video that even teaches where the terms "sunset" an "Hours" comes from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-17BNU7L6g&

There is also a reason why we have pyramids on the back of our one dollar bills.



Now I'm not basing this off some conspiracy theory on the Illuminati, I'm just using our money as an example. These bills to which have the sun god on top of the pyramid with the eye of Horus, also have the Phrase "IN GOD WE TRUST" to which was later added ..This to which perhaps represents where Jesus was declared Son of GOD on top of Mount Sinai (The mountain of GOD, or Yahweh himself). And the dollar is the foundation of our economy.. No surprise there.. And that's not all, remember the falcon in relation to Jesus and the Sun symbol "O" ? Well, that's on your money too..sort of:



Granted the Eagle is not a falcon, but it is a bird of prey. Note the Sun GOD symbol above its head. And then you have the olive branch:

The olive branch is usually a symbol of peace or victory and was historically worn by brides. This symbol, deriving from the customs of Ancient Greece, is strongest in Western culture. However, it has been found in every culture and religion to thrive in the Mediterranean basin.[1]

Early Christianity:

Tertullian (c.160 - c.220) compared Noah's dove in the Hebrew Bible, who "announced to the world the assuagement of divine wrath, when she had been sent out of the ark and returned with the olive branch". with the Holy Spirit in baptism "bringing us the peace of God, sent out from the heavens".[17] In his 4th century Latin translation of the story of Noah, St Jerome rendered "leaf of olive" (Hebrew alay zayit) in Genesis 8:11 as "branch of olive" (Latin ramum olivae). In the 5th century, by which time a dove with an olive branch had become established as a Christian symbol of peace, St Augustine wrote in On Christian Doctrine that, "perpetual peace is indicated by the olive branch (oleae ramusculo) which the dove brought with it when it returned to the ark." However, in Jewish tradition there is no reference to an olive branch in the story of the Flood and no association of the olive leaf with peace.[10][18][19][20]

The olive branch appears with a dove in early Christian art. The dove derives from the simile of the Holy Spirit in the Gospels and the olive branch from classical symbolism. The early Christians, according to Winckelmann, often allegorised peace on their sepulchres by the figure of a dove bearing an olive branch in its beak.[12] For example, in the Catacomb of Priscilla in Rome (2nd – 5th centuries CE) there is a depiction of three men (traditionally taken to be Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego of the Book of Daniel[15]) over whom hovers a dove with a branch; and in another of the Roman catacombs there is a shallow relief sculpture showing a dove with a branch flying to a figure marked in Greek ΕΙΡΗΝΗ (Eirene, or Peace).[16]

And we also know that Crowns of olive branches have also been found inside Ancient Egyptian tombs. The Egyptians considered olive oil as a gift from the gods. And yes they this inside the tombs of pharaohs. It was mixed with pistachio and sesame oils and applied to the linen wrapping of mummies to which often included those olive branch crowns. And what's interesting about this? Well, The Russian-olive tree has thorns.



Long, extremely sharp thorns protrude from each Russian-olive branch.. And guess what Jesus supposedly wore on the cross when he was supposedly crucified? Yep, most likely a thorny crown of olive branches. But let's move along here and evaluate this bit of scripture:

14The Word became flesh among men and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,dwho came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Let's just pretend Yahweh the Volcano GOD appears in the Flesh as "Jesus" in their religious belief. I believe ndeepnow is thinking this would vindicate it from being a Volcano / fire cult or religion. But nope it will not unfortunately. It would be no different than other volcano cults like the one surrounding Pelee to where Pelee is said to manifest herself as an old woman. This idea isn't new to such religions where they believe the object of their worship manifests itself in the flesh. This concept goes back even further than Jesus as the Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt were sometimes said to be incarnations of the gods Horus and Ra. Yep.. Do note "Horus" to which Jesus is largely plagiarized from:

the first real king of Egypt, therefore ruling over the unified land, was Menes, who would have ruled Egypt around 3100 BC, but we have little if any archaeological basis for this name. Most scholars today believe that he may have been a king named Narmer, or more likely still, Aha, two figures that are better attested in the archaeological record. Kings were not only males, and unlike in modern monarchies, the ruler of ancient Egypt, whether male or female, was always called a king. In fact, Egypt had some very noteworthy female rulers such as Hatshepsut and others. In many if not most accounts, the king is viewed as an incarnation of Horus, a falcon god, and the posthumous son of Osiris,

The king himself was the figure upon whom the whole administrative structure of the state rested. This god-king usually commanded tremendous resources. The Pharaoh was the head of the civil administration, the supreme warlord and the chief priest of every god in the kingdom. All offerings were made in his name and the entire priesthood acted in his stead. In fact, he was himself a divine being, considered the physical offspring of a god

Yes, Jesus story is entirely taken from the story of Horus. Jesus is even referred to as the "KING" and offspring of GOD, or as King of Kings just as were Kings of Egypt... Yes another direct link to the Fact that Jesus is a ripped copy of Horus:

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Also we can look at this:

Bahá'í

Further information: God in the Bahá'í Faith

In the Bahá'í Faith, God is described as a single, imperishable God, the creator of all things, including all the creatures and forces in the universe. The connection between God and the world is that of the creator to his creation.[2] God is understood to be independent of his creation, and that creation is dependent and contingent on God. God, however, is not seen to be incarnated into this world and is not seen to be part of creation as he cannot be divided and does not descend to the condition of his creatures. Instead, in the Bahá'í understanding, the world of creation emanates from God, in that all things have been realized by him and have attained to existence.[3] The Bahá'í concept of the intermediary between God and humanity is expressed in the term Manifestation of God, which are a series of personages, such as Jesus and Bahá'u'lláh, who reflect the attributes of the divine into the human world for the progress and advancement of human morals and civilization.[4] In expressing God's intent, these Manifestations are seen to establish religion in the world.[4] The Manifestations of God are also not seen as an incarnation of God, but are instead understood to be like a perfect mirror reflecting the attributes of God onto this material world.[4][5]

However, the bible does not state that Yahweh is Jesus. Jesus would at best be the incarnation of Horus if anything.. And I wasn't going to sit here and format all the links, so here is most of them:

http://bible.cc/john/1-13.htm
http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/1.htm#footnotesc
http://bible.cc/john/1-14.htm
http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/1.htm#footnotesd
http://www.touregypt.net/01dyn01.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/narmer.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/01dyn01.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/ancientegypt/
http://www.touregypt.net/18dyn05.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/horus.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/osiris.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_the_...3%AD_Faith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_myth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation...SmithGod-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%2..._teachings
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/emanate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation...note-saq-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifestation_of_God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation...estation-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation...estation-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation...estation-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation...tcher118-4

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Basically, Jesus's story is hardly at all original or new.. Most of it has been commonly known mythology and beliefs long before he ever supposedly existed.

[Minimalist]

Empirically supported belief isn't worthless.

Empirically supported "belief" is not belief the way these dickheads mean.

Every day of my life the sun has risen in the east. My expectation that it will rise there tomorrow is not based on "belief" but on accumulated evidence.

If it did not rise in the east THAT would be big fucking news.