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Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.

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Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
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Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 29, 2009 at 11:24 am
The very fact that I am wondering whether I am self aware or not is proof in itself that I do exist because if I don't, who is doing the thinking?

Je pense donc je suis René Descartes
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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 29, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Well, I think that:

You are thinking.

I just know of no evidence that when you think that you chose it somehow. Or that when you make a choice that you had any choice in the matter. As far as I'm concerned it's just physics and you have no control over it. Whether you believe you do or not is not evidence.

If belief in free will is reason to believe in free will then that's circular reasoning.

Why believe your thoughts are chosen or that you have free will? Yes you think - of course. Yes you 'do stuff' - of course. That you 'choose' this freely rather than simply believing it though...that you have free will... where's the evidence of that? What reason do you have to believe that?

Whether you simply call it making a choice or not is not evidence that you actually do have a choice. Belief in 'free will' or free choices is not reason to believe in the truth of them. Because as I said - that's circular reasoning.

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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 29, 2009 at 4:49 pm
This thread is about me not believing in the illusion of self awareness and is not about free will. Would you like me to move your post over to the free will thread?
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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 29, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Ok...I thought it was like a response to my thread because I thought I read on my thread that you were doing a thread in response to mine.

I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness either.

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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 30, 2009 at 1:46 pm
We agree Big Grin
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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 30, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Yes. I believe I am self aware Smile (on account of my self-awareness lol).

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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 30, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Well, I never know with you Wink
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RE: Why I don't believe in the illusion of self awareness.
May 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Lol Smile

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