JESUS CHRIST: Myth or Historical Person?

[Minimalist]

And much to nobody's surprise, these "many people" who consider Josephus' work on Jesus Christ to be counterfeit are merely speculating. They don't have a shred of evidence to prove what they are saying.

Really, tell me can you provide a copy of any manuscript of Josephus prior to Eusebius (4th century) that contains the Testimonium? You are going to start a losing battle.

Even better, come up with a single writer....xtian or greco-roman...who makes mention of this obvious fraud prior to the 4th century.

Tacitus suffers from the same dilemma, btw. A famous historian but early xtian writers seem to know nothing about Nero torturing xtians for causing the Great Fire...even Eusebius.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

See my above response. What Jesus did was not widely known because he had just started his ministry when he was killed.

Just started? Well,not really; according to tradition, Jesus' ministry lasted three years.

I'm beginning to think you're a troll. I doubt even Drip would say something as stupidly ignorant.

[Minimalist]

What Jesus did was not widely known because he had just started his ministry when he was killed.

Um, wait a minute. Your whole point is that your godboy was so fucking dangerous that the high priests had to break every rule in their own fucking book to hold a trial on fucking Passover because they COULDN'T WAIT ONE MORE DAY BECAUSE OF HIS MASSIVE FOLLOWING!

Make up your mind. Was he that terribly important or was he some unknown shlepper?

Work out your next apology for your bullshit. We'll wait.

[Alter2Ego]

I might add that not only was Christianity not a well-known religion at the time, it was confined to a fairly small location--besides being unpopular.

Oh, I love this kind of crap. If Jesus was truly divine, why would he confine himself to only one small area? Why wouldn't he travel throughout Europe, Scandanavia, Asia, the Pacific Islands, Australia, the Americas, etc, etc...? Why wouldn't he want his message to be heard everywhere? Why wouldn't he want everyone to know who he is?

ALTER2EGO -to- THOR:
This partial response is to the portion of your above quotation that I've printed in bold and red.

The pre-human Jesus was the most powerful of Jehovah's angels. Because the first man, Adam, sinned prior to having children, he passed on Adamic death to all of his offspring—all of humanity. Adam was perfect when he rebelled against Jehovah. God requires blood sacrifice to atone for sins. It therefore required a perfect man to equalize what Adam had lost. Because all of Adam's offspring were born in a sinful and dying condition, none of them could be offered up as the sacrificial lamb. So God transferred Jesus' life force into the womb of the virgin named Mary. The result was a sinless human. Jesus was literally a man at that point. He had all of the usual limitations of humans. That's why it was possible for him to literally die at the hands of humans. The miracles he performed were as a result of power from Jehovah. He himself was literally human.

I will respond to the other part of your post at another time.

[Regens Küchl]

Oh, I love this kind of crap. If Jesus was truly divine, why would he confine himself to only one small area? Why wouldn't he travel throughout Europe, Scandanavia, Asia, the Pacific Islands, Australia, the Americas, etc, etc...? Why wouldn't he want his message to be heard everywhere? Why wouldn't he want everyone to know who he is?

ALTER2EGO -to- THOR:
This partial response is to the portion of your above quotation that I've printed in bold and red.

The pre-human Jesus was the most powerful of Jehovah's angels. Because the first man, Adam, sinned prior to having children, he passed on Adamic death to all of his offspring—all of humanity. Adam was perfect when he rebelled against Jehovah. God requires blood sacrifice to atone for sins. It therefore required a perfect man to equalize what Adam had lost. Because all of Adam's offspring were born in a sinful and dying condition, none of them could be offered up as the sacrificial lamb. So God transferred Jesus' life force into the womb of the virgin named Mary. The result was a sinless human. Jesus was literally a man at that point. He had all of the usual limitations of humans. That's why it was possible for him to literally die at the hands of humans. The miracles he performed were as a result of power from Jehovah. He himself was literally human.

But this cut and paste text of yours does not answer his question.Not even the bolded part.Why dont you really consider his question instead of hitting him with the next best cut and paste answer from your harddisk?

I will respond to the other part of your post at another time.

You mean you will look up your harddisk, a staple of Watchtowers and/or ask your Mob Bosses at Jehovahs Wickedness what you are allowed to parrot on this

[Cyberman]

A2E and any other TF defenders:

Is your Jesus a terrible misfortune? Josephus thought so, at least if you take the TF at face value and uncritically. Chapter 3 of his Antiquities XVIII opens with the policies of Pilate in his attempts to Romanise Jerusalem, with much bloodshed during a massacre at the aqueduct he provided with temple funds. Then we have 'his' fanwank about JC and the "ten-thousand other wonderful things concerning him" that make him "the Christ" - a peculiar thing in itself for a lifelong orthodox Jew to say. Immediately after, in the very next line, we get: "And about the same time another terrible misfortune confounded the Jews ..."

It's like the "under God" insertion in the US Pledge of Allegiance. It's in the way; it doesn't fit. Remove the obviously ill-fitting phrases and now the narrative, like that Pledge, suddenly makes sense.

[Thor]

This partial response is to the portion of your above quotation that I've printed in bold and red.

And your response does not address my question AT ALL. Why is it that this godboy would only appear in one small area? Why wouldn't he travel the world spreading his message? No, just like other gods, your messiah only appears in one culture in one specific part of the world. Just like Allah, who only appears in one culture. Or Vishnu. Or Zeus. Or any of the other myriad of gods man has invented over the centuries. If there is one, true god, why doesn't he appear in many different cultures all over the world? I'll tell you why.... because just like all the other gods that you reject, your god is a myth.

[Minimalist]

just like other gods, your messiah only appears in one culture in one specific part of the world. Just like Allah, who only appears in one culture. Or Vishnu. Or Zeus.

No American Express card. Can't leave home without it.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

just like other gods, your messiah only appears in one culture in one specific part of the world. Just like Allah, who only appears in one culture. Or Vishnu. Or Zeus.

No American Express card. Can't leave home without it.

Indeed; I once caught one of the brothers on the hop .(I was about 12) I said that it seems likely to me that there are people on other planets. How will THEY be saved?

His response: " OBVIOUSLY, each planet will have its own Jesus (yes,he really did say that).

I loved baiting him,he was such a cunt*.I once made him really cross by suggesting the resurrection would have been even more impressive if Jesus had been cremated.


*I'm pleased to report the cunt died last year. I look forward to finding and pissing on his grave.

[Minimalist]

(yes,he really did say that).

Nothing any of these tools says ever surprises me.