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Is absolute 'nothing' really possible and/or coherent?
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 (April 20, 2012 at 1:23 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I grew up on VeggieTales which is literally the opposite of that Pooh scene. But... but.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS0T57GOwPo And silly songs with Larry... 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
Certainly in physics is no such thing as nothing : because even in
a vacuum there will be energy but absolute nothing cannot exist any way because of the Uncertainty Principle which states that an electron can be anywhere at any given point in time in the Universe : for electrons though sub atomic are matter never the less then the concept of nothing is no longer a scientific question : this is the perfect riposte to any body asking the question how something can arise out of nothing : simple there is no such thing and this shall continue to be so for as long as matter exists : this maybe quite a while now that apparently electrons can exist for ever as far as is currently known so question is then an academic one far as science matters so is more one for philosophy
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
 RE: Is absolute 'nothing' really possible and/or coherent?
April 20, 2012 at 2:27 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2012 at 2:33 am by TheJackel.)
Quote:Stop. You have just proposed a hypothesis whereby nothing exists. For the fun of entertaining. Quote: Therefore: nothing exists. Incorrect.  Self-refuting concepts such as that invalidate themselves. As stated on wiki: "Self-refuting ideas are ideas or statements whose falsehood is a logical consequence of the act or situation of holding them to be true." Hence, by definition alone, nothing states itself can not exist. But someone can feel free to show me where in existence I can find nothing..
Nothing doesn't state it can't exist. What gives you the idea that it does? 0.o
* Violet feels free to show Jackle where: Outside everything there is nothing. That's where you can find it. More disneyness  Male Rainbow Face: Beyond the Mysterious Beyond Out past the smallest light that's twinkling You cannot even have an inkling Of what is going on For example, there's this enormous black- Female Rainbow Face: Ahem, Beyond the Mysterious Beyond Out where the darkness is the scariest Out where the wonders are the rariest Past the edge of dawn Male Rainbow Face: There's so much more to everything Than anyone supposes Female Rainbow Face: The answers lay inside your dreams And underneath your noses Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
So, basically what I've gathered from this discussion is that true nothing isn't possible because it'd be something. So ex nehilo then is just a dated concept based on a simplistic understanding of the universe? I doubt theists ever thought of "nothing" as being no space or time before it was pointed out that empty space isn't "nothing" anymore. Before I learned about the modern theistic understanding of "nothing" I always thought of "nothing" as dark empty space in a vacuum. That's probably what theists thought of as too until the past 100 years.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence." -- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
Why wouldn't nothing be something? You people are just plain weird. That's me being serious this time.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
The only way to adequately discuss this subject is to not discuss this subject.
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Nothing is only a label we give something in language as we use it. In terms of reality it is just the absence of something which doesn't really mean anything. Nothing doesn't exist and therefore by its own meaning there is no such thing as nothing. Existence always was and always will be. It is a self proving fact. There never was a nothing and there never will be.
The Universe = nothing. According to Stephen Hawking anyway - there is the same amount of anti matter in the universe as matter, therefore the mass of the universe is nothing. So actually everything is nothing.
It also gets around the xtian "how can something come from nothing" argument, because everything is nothing anyway! Quite the brain bender.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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