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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 4:46 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm)Watchman Wrote: Angelo ..(Jireh)
Just popped back to see how it was going…
Sorry to butt in here ,but did I just see you state that the Bible does not posit a geo-centric model for the solar system…..
Extract from the end of post 213…
“The evidence is obvious.
(Mister Agenda quote) As obvious as the sun going around the earth.”
Jireh posted:
“said who ? certainly not the bible”
You did !
You said it !
You little tinker…
And you call yourself an Evangelist….
Please ……. allow me to correct you…
Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.
The miracle of Joshua appears again as a reference in The Book of Habakkuk.
Habakkuk 3:11
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows as they sped, at the flash of thy glittering spear.
The evidence in support of a geocentric model is overwhelming here.
Joshua commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary.
The sun was commanded to stand still because it is the sun that moves.
Link:
http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml
The Nuns would be angry if they knew you messed up on that one.
the bible used of course a popular language. You say certainly : " the sun is going down ". In the same way, the bible uses popular terms.
http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/t17-does...th-is-flat
Quote:a case of a creator, page 107
Writers of astronomy textbooks just keep recycling the myth, sort of like the flat-Earth myth, which was the idea that Columbus was told the Earth was flat and he thought it was round. That's just wrong too."
"Scholars at the time knew it was a sphere," added Gonzalez. "Even the ancient Greeks knew it was a sphere."
"They'd known it for a thousand years or more," said Richards.
I knew they were right about that. David Lindberg, former professor of the history of science and currently director of the Institute for Research in the Humanities at the University of Wisconsin, said in a recent interview:
One obvious [myth] is that before Columbus, Europeans believed nearly unanimously in a flat Earth-a belief allegedly drawn from certain biblical statements and enforced by the medieval church. This myth seems to have had an eighteenth century origin, elaborated and popularized by Washington Irving, who flagrantly fabricated evidence for it in his four-volume history of Columbus.... The truth is that it's almost impossible to find an educated person after Aristotle who doubts that the Earth is a sphere. In the Middle Ages, you couldn't emerge from any kind of education, cathedral school or university, without being perfectly clear about the Earth's sphericity and even its approximate circumference.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Does that mean Galileo wasn't persecuted either? Or was that made up too?
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 5:15 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 5:35 pm by Watchman.)
Angelo (Jireh)
No ,No ,No…..you don’t pull that one….
You’re not getting away with arguing semantics…
You do not know how I speak or how I use language ,please don’t tell me what I “say certainly”.
Your post on the flat earth is all very pretty and everything…..
BUT ,it is not pertinent to your post….(213)
Go check it… there it is….
You…Angelo (Jireh) posted that the Bible does not posit a geo-centric model for the solar system…..
One more time…. Just to refresh your memory…..
“The evidence is obvious.
(Mister Agenda quote) As obvious as the sun going around the earth.”
Jireh posted:
“said who ? certainly not the bible”
Nothing about flat earth nothing about Aristotle ,Columbus or the ancient Greeks … just me picking you up on a mistake….. that’s all….no biggy.
True it is a bit of a novice error on your part ….
But just put your hands up to it.
I had noticed some time ago your reluctance to discuss the Bible …is this why..?
Any way ,like I said…its no big thing and I don’t propose to engage you over it…you know I don’t feed trolls.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
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Re: RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 6:25 pm by fr0d0.)
(April 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What are exactly the "problems posed"?
Purpose. Meaning.
(April 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Science is against me you say? How?
Also what claim have I made?
You are claiming that God is testable with science. You are a fundie fuckwit of the atheist variety 
Science is against you because science sticks to what is testable. ie science has nothing to say on this.
(April 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Quote:Well I can see you put zero thought into that. What can be asserted without thought can be dismissed without thought 
What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
And what an ignorant fuck chooses to ignore remains unknown to said ignorant fuck.
(April 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Quote:You're thinking in exclusively materialist terms again. I'm 100% not talking in materialist terms.
Uh huh, because I won't take what you believe on faith, so you say. Erm.. whut!?
(April 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I'm not bothered if you don't think I'm open to other things, you're entitled to your opinion after all. Hey dude, you said it!
(April 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Quote:Physical evidence or non physical evidence? How do you prove non physical evidence Ace?
That's your problem.
No mate.. I know such a persuit to be idiotic. You, however, do not.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:22 pm
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(April 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What are exactly the "problems posed"?
Purpose. Meaning.
Are you so sterile that you need to imagine a master to dictate a meaning to you?
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:26 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 6:40 pm by Ace Otana.)
Quote:You are claiming that God is testable with science. You are a fundie fuckwit of the atheist variety
Where did I claim that? Feel free to quote me.
Name calling now?
Quote:And what an ignorant fuck chooses to ignore remains unknown to said ignorant fuck.
And what deluded fuck chooses to believe in complete nonsense remains unknown to said deluded fuck.
So where did this little back and forward assault get us?
Quote:No mate.. I know such a persuit to be idiotic. You, however, do not.
You're the one who believes in the spiritual, not me. I've simply ruled it out, the rest is down to you. Whether you can prove what you believe or not is your problem. It always will be.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:26 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
When you stop making testable claims about your god it will stop failing those tests, won't it Frods?
When you're done with that, I'll be here to remind you that we will still be able to subject you and your reasons for making such claims to tests.
"There is no fruit elsewhere".
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Re: RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm
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(April 24, 2012 at 6:22 pm)Chuck Wrote: Just because you can compose a question doesn't mean any satisfying answer can possibly be true.
So you're categorically stating that it couldn't possibly be true?
Is that a faith statement?
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:32 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 24, 2012 at 6:22 pm)Chuck Wrote: Just because you can compose a question doesn't mean any satisfying answer can possibly be true.
So you're categorically stating that it couldn't possibly be true?
Is that a faith statement?
Intellectual honesty looks dimly down on taking what can possibly be true as if it were probably true just because one would like it to be true.
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RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 6:35 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What are exactly the "problems posed"?
Purpose. Meaning.
Purpose is completely subjective and therefore gets you no closer to any overall truth. I just baked some cake. It has a purpose which is for me to eat it. That is all. My purpose is to give existence a purpose and its existence is to give itself a purpose. And on and on. All irrelevant.
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