Church stance on gay marriage "for good of society", says Bishop Michael Nazi

[Minimalist]

You set the standard for "normal" as yourself

Indeed shaky.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Honestly Mehm, I'd be looking for special protections and rights from the likes of you and yours as well. I bet you would too, if the situation were reversed. That's a pattern in your thoughts. Your unwillingness to be subjected to that which you would subject others to. Your constant dismissal of others on the grounds that they are not you, or not like you.

No, I would not, on the ground of which I view how one should behave himself if one shares a "minority conscience" anywhere.
If I viewed myself as a minority in a place with overwhelming majority, I certainly would not push my own goals over the goals of the general public. This would create contempt and destroy the general harmony of the public.
If I wished to enjoy rights based on my conscience as a minority of any kind, I'd probably go somewhere where I could enjoy these as a part of the majority.
Like, for example, if I lived in the USA, would I write a letter to the congress demanding Turkish to be taught as the primary language of education in a seperate school for just Turkish children?
What purpose would this really serve? Or would I want a statue of a grey wolf to be erected near a park where I live?
No, it would simply be nonsense, nothing more.
I'd rather go back to Turkey to enjoy these privilages granted to me by the sovereignity we have over there.
I have no such privilages anywhere else, mind you.
Neither do the gays. They have the rights that the majority of the country has, and privilages that they also enjoy. If they want to get married, they can do so, in accordance with how the majority views marriage.
They cannot force their own version of a marriage where they have their own weird gender roles or whatsoever.

If so, everyone could really just practice a version of marrige they deem to be fit for themselves. Some would marry several women, some would marry several men, some would marry their own close relatives, creating confusion and destruction of marrige as an institution based on the creation of family, and legal sharing of property-this is what marrige is all about. Not about "love" as some romantics would like to put forward.

And I believe that this is where it brings us to. Gays can enjoy the privilage of legal sharing of property, but under a seperate context from marriage.

You set the standard for "normal" as yourself.

I must. If I don't, someone else will. Perhaps someone else sets standards on very weird things. Again, maybe these are not so weird according to that individual. I set the standards of normal according to the general view of the "normal" public. People who share views on at least one thing. And I believe that most people in my country and neighboring countries have the same views about marriage. May it be secular or religious views.

I hereby state that the standard for "normal" is myself.

Do you have a clear majority in your country to set this standard to your own level?
If no, I would certainly not take your views in consideration if you came to me with a proposal that homosexuality is normal. Besides, it's not even normal by biological standards.

You are an abnormality. Do not try to publicize yourself,

I reserve the right to publicize myself by the clear majority that share the same views as me on this matter. Besides, from a biological viewpoint, there are things that are considered normal, and those which are not.

or ask to be recognized as a minority.

I am not a minority on this subject, friend. Actually, I'm a majority if you take the world into consideration.

Certainly you deserve no special rights

What kind of special rights could I ask for that I do not already have?
I have the right to get married, raise a family. These are the privilages I had since the antiquity. Gays on the other hand, had no such privilages, as they were biologically unable to procreate from their homosexual acts, they were rightfully seen as unfit to fill this role within society. The notion of family was left to heterosexual, normal couples to be the foundation of any society, the family.

and by "special" I of course mean all of the same rights I enjoy

Just asking, on which base did you declare me to be abnormal? On my views on homosexuality, "sexual preference" as you call it, or on my ethnic affiliation? Besides the last one, I'm sure I'll fit right in with the majority of the normal people in your country.

[The Grand Nudger]

Stop attempting to publicize yourself, abnormal. Who are you to demand rights? I'm the majority, I'm normal. Take what I give you and be happy about it. I'm tired of hearing you shamelessly attempt to normalize your abnormal lifestyle choices.

[frankiej]

[kılıç_mehmet]

Stop attempting to publicize yourself, abnormal. Who are you to demand rights? I'm the majority, I'm normal. Take what I give you and be happy about it. I'm tired of hearing you shamelessly attempt to normalize your abnormal lifestyle choices.

You're as normal as me. It's homosexuality that is abnormal.
Besides, it's not me who is demanding minority rights either. If they claim to be a minority, let them bear the burden of being one!
Really, if the homosexuals want to act as they please through the public, they should be granted a country somewhere, where they can do whatever they like, whole day long. Lesbians could be their breeders, while gays would provide the sperm needed to inseminate them artificially. They could raise their children as they pleased, and I'd not care. But in a normal environment where they present nothing more than deviants, it's really impossible for them to ask for the special rights and privilages they so yearn for.

[The Grand Nudger]

Can't even stay consistent to your own position? I thought as much. You would oppress others, but you are unsatisfied with being oppressed yourself.

You aren't even willing to be satisfied with it in a discussion, and you propose that those you oppress should be satisfied with it in their lives? Bullshit.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Can't even stay consistent to your own position? I thought as much. You would oppress others, but you are unsatisfied with being oppressed yourself.

Who am I exactly oppressing by telling the truth, and expecting those people to act in accordance with the basic moral aspects of society?
Besides, the oppression that my people have to endure is nothing in the likes to the "oppression" that you claim that homosexuals experience today...Like they are not allowed to marry, yeah. Like it would do them any good at all.
I know why they ask for such things. I've said it before. They know that they are not normal themselves, even if you go on about defending them, they obviously want to feel more normal about themselves by marrying and having children(by adoption, artificial insemination or surrogate mothers).
But what they don't know is that normal society will never accept them the way they want themselves to be accepted by normal society.
The level of acceptance they've reached in millenia long human history is about this much.

[The Grand Nudger]

Can't stop "publicizing" yourself can you? Why should they?

You, will never accept them. Maybe you should avoid painting society at large with the bigotry and double standards you've chosen to adopt as guiding principles? Some of us aren't half as ignorant as the arguments you've graced the forums with in just the last few posts. Thanks.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Can't stop "publicizing" yourself can you? Why should they?

Publicize myself as in my own ideology?
I'm not publicizing myself, but an idea. They are publicizing their...biological condition and the acts they are capable of due to this condition.
This is the difference between us and them.

You, will never accept them. Maybe you should avoid painting society at large with the bigotry and double standards you've chosen to adopt as guiding principles?

Even in your country, the country where homosexuality and associated issues are unique in influence on which people vote for politicians, acceptance is not in ways as to allow gays to openly do indecent acts and present them before the media and TV to the general public? But well, in America where sexuality is presented in every aspect of media and social life, I guess I don't have to worry about such things surfacing in my country.
Because the homosexuals here at least have some decency due to their upbringing in our culture.
Here, homosexuals do not present such ridiculous demands anywhere, and there is no political party that represents their interests.
Equality, as you speak of, is only amongst those who are equal.

[The Grand Nudger]

Still publicizing yourself.....

Appeal to hypocrisy? Try harder.