Church stance on gay marriage "for good of society", says Bishop Michael Nazi

[Faith No More]

Who am I exactly oppressing by telling the truth, and expecting those people to act in accordance with the basic moral aspects of society?
Besides, the oppression that my people have to endure is nothing in the likes to the "oppression" that you claim that homosexuals experience today...Like they are not allowed to marry, yeah. Like it would do them any good at all.
I know why they ask for such things. I've said it before. They know that they are not normal themselves, even if you go on about defending them, they obviously want to feel more normal about themselves by marrying and having children(by adoption, artificial insemination or surrogate mothers).
But what they don't know is that normal society will never accept them the way they want themselves to be accepted by normal society.
The level of acceptance they've reached in millenia long human history is about this much.

I don't want to get into a discussion with you on this, as makes me sick to my stomach reading the words you post on this subject. I did, however, have to jump in and just point out that this the most ignorant, hateful thing I believe I have ever read from you, at least recently.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Still publicizing yourself.....

Appeal to hypocrisy? Try harder.

Friend, I don't have to publicize myself. I've already spoken about these before. I'm just restating my past statements.

I don't want to get into a discussion with you on this, as makes me sick to my stomach reading the words you post on this subject. I did, however, have to jump in and just point out that this the most ignorant, hateful thing I believe I have ever read from you, at least recently.

Well, my words stand. Those who pick them up, do so. I guess if there are two sides who claim moral superiority, one side has to come up with very emotional sounding statements after a point, eh?
Besides, I don't hate, friend. My ideas are things that you could call..."nothing personal". I don't have a problem with an individual gay person. As long as the relationship between me and him/her is in accordance with public decency, I can communicate with them as long as I want to.
But I'm trying to show empathy. How I'd feel if I were homosexual. I certainly would feel that there is wrong with me, that makes me different from the others, yes? I'd like to feel like the others, as though there was no difference between me and them. Marrying a woman and having a family the normal way would require me to deny myself, but trying to marry a person of my own sex would be impossible(possible in certain parts of the world, though), and obtaining children is even more impossible as no orphanage would knowingly give me the custody of a child if they knew I had a homosexual lover.
Besides, such things would not find acceptance within the public I live in either.
So, I'd aim for a complete revolution of the mind. To make homosexual more "normal" more socially acceptable, to feel better about my own condition. I believe that this is the reason why homosexuals are pushing for these things. If you think that this is a hateful way of thinking, tell me the opposite way of how I should think.

[The Grand Nudger]

You have much experience with how you'd feel if you were a homosexual do you?

Again, your hypocrisy is astounding, you have a real talent for this. Your own positions must mean very little to you, what with the way you destroy them so completely for me. I suppose I shouldn't really complain about that.

[Faith No More]

...tell me the opposite way of how I should think.

I'm guessing you misspoke here, but just for kicks, here goes.

The opposite way of how you should think is the way you think right now.

[kılıç_mehmet]

...tell me the opposite way of how I should think.

I'm guessing you misspoke here, but just for kicks, here goes.

The opposite way of how you should think is the way you think right now.

Well, what I was saying is how you'd view a "non-hateful" way of thinking.

[The Grand Nudger]

How would I view a non-hateful way of thinking? Do you mean what sort of thinking I would view as non-hateful?

One that makes fewer hostile assumptions and assertions about people whose only "crime" is that of being different from yourself. Just tossing it out there, on a limb, you know.

If I've misunderstood, mea culpa.

[kılıç_mehmet]

How would I view a non-hateful way of thinking? Do you mean what sort of thinking I would view as non-hateful?

One that makes fewer hostile assumptions and assertions about people whose only "crime" is that of being different from yourself. Just tossing it out there, on a limb, you know.

If I've misunderstood, mea culpa.

I do not define homosexuality as a crime. I define it as a defect.
An abnormality.
If this sounds hostile in tone and in meaning to you, I don't know really how else I could put it forward.
Besides, I'm not making assumptions. I'm laying down ideas that I do not build on assumptions.
I don't assume that marriage was not meant for people of the same sex, as I know what marriage is all about.
I don't assume that homosexuality is some sort of a biological defect, for I know that a psychological explanation makes no sense at all.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're defective and abnormal.
(I bet that didn't sound hostile at all )

Your failure to establish your assertains as facts is troubling in and of itself, if you could, you would be left hostility regardless the minute you invoke denying these folks the same rights you would claim for yourself

Such as the right you assume you possess to publicize your viewpoints and opinion for example. A right which you do not, in fact, possess. Because you are defective and abnormal, and these things offend my decency.

[kılıç_mehmet]

You're defective and abnormal.

(I bet that didn't sound hostile at all )

But I'm not.
My penis has never missed it's intended destination even once.
As one says in Turkish, "Hak yolu varken, bok yolu neden?"

Your failure to establish your assertains as facts is troubling in and of itself, if you could, you would be left hostility regardless the minute you invoke denying these folks the same rights you would claim for yourself (such as the right you assume you have to publicize your viewpoints and opinion, -which you do not, in fact, have. Because you are defective and abnormal, and these things offend my decency-).

Same rights? I do not have to offer homosexuals the privilage of homosexuality. Neiter does the state. Saying this isn't hostility, it's showing respect to the institution of marriage, whose purpose is to create families, children that are born from a mother and a father.
This is the purpose of marriage, not "love" or whatever.
I don't give a damn if two guys or two girls love eachother, they can very well cohabit the same space for as long as they like, but they cannot ask the public to approve of their union and accept them as "normals" amongst their own. I certainly do not.
But as homosexuals are obviously so emotional about this issue, I guess a middle way can always be found.

[The Grand Nudger]

Of course you are, I just asserted precisely that.