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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(April 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Napoleon Wrote: (April 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm)gringoperry Wrote: I believe that this universe was created with intention
This is exactly why I can't understand why you hold such a position. How can you determine the intention of the universe. Or whether it was "created" with intention. It's something you simply CANNOT prove and I have not seen any evidence whatsoever to suggest anything like it. It's the interpretation of the human mind which gives things purpose.
Unless I'm shown otherwise then taking a leap of faith that the universe was created with intention is irrational.
Again, you keep saying that I hold a position, as though it was the only one that I hold. It might be simpler to understand if I put it into the context of how I live my life. I don't go around investigating paranormal events, trying to levitate objects with my mind, or shoot laser beams out of my fricking eyeballs. I rely on the scientific method to provide answers to all the unanswered questions that I have about the universe. As much as I'd love the universe to have this connecting link, if science were to unlock all the secrets of the universe tomorrow I'd have plenty to keep me amazed until the day I die - shit, there is already enough scientific knowledge out there to keep me more than entertained. Yes, the beliefs that I hold about the possibility of god are based on many things which I cannot prove, but nor can they be disproved. I know, the burden of prove lies with me, but I'm not trying to convince anyone because I'm not even convinced myself. I simply believe in the possibility of these things. My morning coffee will not be ruined by the revelation that I am a complete nut job for doing so.
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:12 pm
(April 29, 2012 at 3:22 am)Garpike34 Wrote: It cannot be said that there is no god, but rather, that there is no reason to believe that there is one. This is enough for me to believe that I should live my life as if there were no god, but i figured why not let someone convince me otherwise.
You can say:
There is no reason to believe there isn't a god, so might as well live your life as if there is a god.
I think if you don't know, you shouldn't live your life as if there isn't a god or that there is a god. You should live your life assuming both these are possibilities.
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I live mine as if it doesn't matter either way.
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:22 pm
(April 29, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: I live mine as if it doesn't matter either way.
Paul, you said in one sentence that which I never managed to say in all those convoluted paragraphs. I've either had too much coffee today or not enough beer.
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:39 pm
(April 29, 2012 at 4:57 pm)gringoperry Wrote: Again, you keep saying that I hold a position
If I am misrepresenting you then I apologise. I never said anywhere that you shoot laser beams out of your eyes either so maybe it is also yourself who is misrepresenting things.
I was saying 'your position' because your religious views say Deist. You have mentioned several times that your own beliefs are based on things you cannot prove.
Why not instead simply call yourself agnostic?
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2012 at 5:51 pm by Gambit.)
My apologies, the laser beam thing is just my asinine attempt at humour. I often say that I float between being agnostic and deist on any given day. I guess it comes down to whether my rational or irrational mind happens to be winning the battle at the time. I actually reread what I wrote, and no, you're not really misrepresenting what I said, I just need to express my views more clearly. As I said though, I'm all about the learning so I'll work on that.
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:54 pm
(April 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm)gringoperry Wrote: My apologies, the laser beam thing is just my asinine attempts at humour. I often say that I float between being agnostic and deist on any given day. I guess it comes down to whether my rational or irrational mind happens to be winning the battle at the time. I actually reread what I wrote, and no, you're not really misrepresenting what I said, I just need to express my views more clearly. As I said though, I'm all about the learning so I'll work on that. 
I'm sure you'll get the hang of things. No need to apologise either, you presented your thoughts pretty clearly, I am probably just guilty of trying to simplify them into a label I can better understand.
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RE: There may not be a god...
April 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm
(April 29, 2012 at 5:54 pm)Napoleon Wrote: (April 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm)gringoperry Wrote: My apologies, the laser beam thing is just my asinine attempts at humour. I often say that I float between being agnostic and deist on any given day. I guess it comes down to whether my rational or irrational mind happens to be winning the battle at the time. I actually reread what I wrote, and no, you're not really misrepresenting what I said, I just need to express my views more clearly. As I said though, I'm all about the learning so I'll work on that. 
I'm sure you'll get the hang of things. No need to apologise either, you presented your thoughts pretty clearly, I am probably just guilty of trying to simplify them into a label I can better understand.
You've inadvertently hit on the problem I have - I often try to put my own views into a box or label them. The issue with that is, I never seem to fit in those boxes and my companions don't particularly want me there either.
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