Atheists are Intolerant

[Tobie]

The bible advocates acts that are far worse than what the catholic church has ever done.

Yes, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists ( Stalin wasn't) but atheists claim no moral authority. We have no book telling us how to live our life. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods, so killing fuck loads of people doesn't go against atheism, but it does go against christianity.

SO let me get this right...Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to do wrong and atheists do wrong because of the individual and not atheism. That looks like a double standard to me. It is what it is though.

I did not say that at all. Atheism makes no claims about how moral atheism is; it is just the lack of belief in gods, however, christianity does. You believe in your shitty book, you should prepare to be judged by it.

[5thHorseman]

'Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to do wrong and atheists do wrong because of the individual and not atheism.'

YES, but no. The bible says it's ok, so it's not wrong according to the bible.

Mao and Stalin didn't murder in the name of atheism. They killed political opponents and anyone they didn't like. You won't find atheists flying planes into buildings or blowing up buildings as a revenge for Waco.

Atheism is just a lack of belief, it doesn't have a wackjob doctrine that commands rape and torture.

Are you devoid of using a dictionary, we are NOT a religion like you. We just do NOT believe.

[Abishalom]

See you're doing too. Our friend Tempus used that argument to belittle Christian charitable works. Christians represent a larger % of the population in correlation to atheist therefore they should have more charitable works. Why doesn't this apply to your "per capita" argument about crimes. Atheists represent a smaller % of the population in correlation to Christians therefore they should commit less crimes. It goes both ways.

I'm not defending anything, nor putting forth an argument. I'm informing you that the term both of you were looking for was "per capita". You both kept describing it, so I told you what to call it. And it is an incredibly important thing to consider if you want to compare two segments of the population in any significant way.

I actually just realized what you're talking about, and you're correct. I did not see Tempus' last reply since the post were piling up.

[Napoléon]

No true scotsman fallacy. The catholic church are christians are they not?

Your point is mute.

It's not a fallacy when said group (Catholic commits acts that are not acceptable to in said group's religious text (the bible). I guess you blatantly ignored the FACT that the Bible was BANNED and nobody could translate into English for many centuries. I'm sure the bible told them to do that. Or how about this one...Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were atheists, were they not? So it goes both ways.

It is still a fallacy no matter what slant you wish to put on it. These people murdered and killed in the name of christianity. You saying that they weren't true christians doesn't change that.

And it was entirely predictable you would bring up such dictators.

The thing you obviously cannot grasp however is that those dictators did not do what they did 'in the name of atheism' unlike many other figures throughout history who did their atrocities 'in the name of religion'. The fact that they were atheists had nothing to do with their political goals and their political movements were not in the name of religion or atheism. Or do you disagree? Because I'd sure like some reference to where you think they did what they did due to their atheism.

You're the one claiming atheist had it so bad. Now you want to run away from your statement (typical).

Oh is that what I said? Care to quote me on that?

The POINT which I have repeated at least twice now, is that it DOES NOT MATTER whether the people who suffered due to christianity or any religion were atheist or not.

The simple fact is, people suffered because of it. Maybe try reading what I fucking write hmm?

Yes millions of peopled died. But that was not your claim. Your claim singles out ATHEISTS. We're not talking about everybody. A good proportion of those people were Christian believers (but you cannot claim those).

Please tell me where the fuck I made this claim. Please find and quote and let me know exactly where I said this.

Again I reiterate my point, you are more concerned with what labels people have than the simple fact that people have suffered under the rule of your religion. It amazes me that you and your ilk have the audacity and the arrogance to take the moral high ground. Fuck you.

Yet you are sitting there and the exception you take is whether they were atheist or not?

If you make a claim, then you better be able to actually back it up. Obviously you cannot.

I backed up my claims with fact and evidence and even you did not refute that millions of people have died in the name of christianity.

What is this claim you think I am making?

I will ask again, please quote and present where I make these 'claims' you think I am making.

You are misinterpreting my argument intentionally and avoiding all the points I make in favour of pointless assertions.

[Cinjin]

What do Christians committing crimes or being in jail have to do with Christianity?

I'd say a whole hell of a lot ... considering it's you people using the no true scotsman argument at every turn and hitting us non-believers with arguments about objective morality.

Does an atheist committing a crime or going to jail make you reconsider being an atheist?

Of course not. Atheists make no claim of having higher moral standards and an "inner peace" supposedly provided by god upon salvation. I mean your point is just silly.

I mean you are putting forth unrealistic expectations. We are all humans, and people are going to do what they want to.

Awesome. Thank you for driving my point home. Please re-read your emboldened words over and over again till you understand my point.

(For clarity add the words, regardless of what they claim to believe, at the end of your sentence.)

[Abishalom]

'Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to do wrong and atheists do wrong because of the individual and not atheism.'

YES, but no. The bible says it's ok, so it's not wrong according to the bible.

Mao and Stalin didn't murder in the name of atheism. They killed political opponents and anyone they didn't like. You won't find atheists flying planes into buildings or blowing up buildings as a revenge for Waco.

Atheism is just a lack of belief, it doesn't have a wackjob doctrine that commands rape and torture.

Are you devoid of using a dictionary, we are NOT a religion like you. We just do NOT believe.

Well the Catholic church must have did those things because God told them to. You mean to tell me that God commanded me to rape and torture people. Aw shucks...hide yo kids...hide yo wife...

[Tobie]

'Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to do wrong and atheists do wrong because of the individual and not atheism.'

YES, but no. The bible says it's ok, so it's not wrong according to the bible.

Mao and Stalin didn't murder in the name of atheism. They killed political opponents and anyone they didn't like. You won't find atheists flying planes into buildings or blowing up buildings as a revenge for Waco.

Atheism is just a lack of belief, it doesn't have a wackjob doctrine that commands rape and torture.

Are you devoid of using a dictionary, we are NOT a religion like you. We just do NOT believe.

Well the Catholic church must have did those things because God told them to. You mean to tell me that God commanded me to rape and torture people. Aw shucks...hide yo kids...hide yo wife...

When Pope Urban II, whom catholics believe speaks for god on earth, started the crusades, the first of which ended with the massacre of Jerusalem's population, the christians at the time thought it was "god's will". So these people committed these horrific acts because they believed it was what god was telling them to do.

[Napoléon]

Well the Catholic church must have did those things because God told them to. You mean to tell me that God commanded me to rape and torture people. Aw shucks...hide yo kids...hide yo wife...

Wouldn't surprise me. You weirdo's are always going on about how you speak to god.

Normal people tend to call that hallucinating or schizophrenia.

[genkaus]

SO let me get this right...Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to do wrong and atheists do wrong because of the individual and not atheism. That looks like a double standard to me. It is what it is though.

No, Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to. Certain atheists do wrong because of the political philosophy they espouse tells them to. Thus, they are not doing wrong in their capacity as atheists but their capacity as communists, fascists etc. What is to be considered the cause of their wrong-doing is determined by what they use to justify it. Catholic church used Christianity to justify their actions, but Pol Pot and Mao did not use their atheism as justification.

[Napoléon]

No, Christians do wrong because the bible tells them to. Certain atheists do wrong because of the political philosophy they espouse tells them to. Thus, they are not doing wrong in their capacity as atheists but their capacity as communists, fascists etc. What is to be considered the cause of their wrong-doing is determined by what they use to justify it. Catholic church used Christianity to justify their actions, but Pol Pot and Mao did not use their atheism as justification.

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