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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 10:27 am
(May 10, 2012 at 9:52 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: I think Golden Rule plus Negative Rights has a few issues, since the golden rule often infers many positive rights, and becomes a matter of personal preference on how far that is taken. Right, which is why they are combined.
Quote:I defy anyone who claims purely negative rights to refuse care to an abandoned baby in the streets for instance because it has no positive right to be fed or housed.
I never claimed purely negative rights; I claimed negative rights combined with the golden rule.
Quote:Your moral principles tend to be therefore gradients of these rights, as I would also confer the right to aforementioned baby, for medical care and education.
I wouldn't call it a right, but I'd argue it was morally and ethically wrong to simply do nothing.
Quote:Even where we apply both golden and negative rights, I am deeply suspicious of someone who would not wish to be helped if they fell on hard times.
Suspicious yes, but I'm not going to argue with them if that is what they want. I would personally feel very bad if I had to beg someone for help. When I'm going through hard times, the only person I can truly rely on is myself.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 10:50 am
Our good customs, traditions and social rules.
Unless the sky falls above, and the earth crumbles underneath, who could break your customs and law?
The sky has not fallen upon our heads, and the earth did not crumble beneath our feet.
Our customs and traditions still stand, so does our law.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 10:54 am
(May 10, 2012 at 10:50 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Unless the sky falls above, and the earth crumbles underneath, who could break your customs and law?
Anyone who considers them wring and can prove it.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 10:59 am
@ Tiberius
Hence why I think the addition of negative rights to the golden rule is unnecessary. Although you may be able to think of a negative right which isn't covered by the golden rule. Suffering a 24 hour bug at the moment, so my imagination is limited.
The golden rule as far as I can tell, confers most, if not all negative rights, and a great number of positive ones also.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Golden rule? Fuck that nonsense.
My dad wouldn't like you to call him beautiful during sex, would hate you nibbling on his neck, and definitely does not want your dick in him...
I, on the other hand, would be having the time of my life.
So I don't do to other people what I'd like done to me.
I also do not want you to beat me into the ground and call me a dirty whore. But someone does. I don't want a horse to fuck me, but someone does.
...
Point: you can't base your interaction with other people solely off of what you yourself would appreciate being done (or not being done) to you.
What a selfish and egocentric worldview.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 10:54 am)genkaus Wrote: (May 10, 2012 at 10:50 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Unless the sky falls above, and the earth crumbles underneath, who could break your customs and law?
Anyone who considers them wring and can prove it. Our customs and laws are the product of more than a thousand years of testing. They are there for a reason, and they put out guidelines for a morally clean and harmonious Turkish society.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Me? I don't believe rights exist anywhere but the mind.
I don't even know what the fuck they are to begin with.
My morals? Don't know what they are either... I just roll with things, and I'm a generally nice and gentle person so that usually works for me.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 10, 2012 at 11:39 pm
I don't know why I give a shit ... I just do.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 11, 2012 at 12:31 am
I get most of my morality from eBay. You can get some great bargains there. Just last week I won a two year supply of Self-sacrifice and Honesty for only 12.99. Though I did lose on an auction for a supply of Giving so don't expect anything for Christmas from me.
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RE: Morality: Where do you get yours?
May 11, 2012 at 12:40 am
(May 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Our customs and laws are the product of more than a thousand years of testing. They are there for a reason, and they put out guidelines for a morally clean and harmonious Turkish society.
Yeah, the reason being blind and uncritical obedience. Slavery was around for thousands of years as well. That didn't make it right.
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