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Is Quran the proof of God?
RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Irrational Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: would u like a different mathematical, or how about a scientific miracle, or an astronomical miracle, or just a linguistic miracle?

You have low standards for what constitutes miracles.

well that's what most people don't understand. They think a miracle has to be something that appears out of the blue or goes against science and nature. I'm not saying that when these kind of things happen they aren't miracles, because a miracle is an act of God that cannot be produced without His will and power. Here's the way it happened. God sent a prophet to every nation of people He created. This way the prophet was able to speak to his people in their own native tongue, so they could understand the message to worship God alone. There have been over 120,000 prophets sent since the beginning of mankind all over the world. So for example when a Hebrew prophet was sent they called God "Yahweh" the Hebrew name for God. Whereas if an English speaking prophet was sent he would call God "God" the English name for God. And if a Spanish prophet was sent he would call God "Dios". They all refer to the same Supreme Being just in different languages. Now I'm just using these 3 languages as examples. I don't know for sure if English or Spanish had even existed the way Hebrew and many other languages did. Anyway to use some well known prophetic names. In prophet Moses'(pbuh)time the people then were highly arrogant because of their knowledge of magic. So God sent Moses(pbuh)with miracles that out performed the peoples' trickery, such as his rod turning into a serpent and back into a rod, and Moses(pbuh)being a dark skinned desert man, placing his hand in his bosom and it glowed white like the moon, and also his parting the sea. These were all acts of God(miracles)which God used through His prophet Moses(pbuh)to let these people know, no matter how knowledgeable of magic and trickery they were they could not out perform God's Almighty power. So if they follow Moses, he will guide them to God. Just as in Jesus'(pbuh)time, the people then were highly arrogant due to their knowledge of medicine. So first God sends His prophet Jesus(pbuh)born of a virgin woman, basically saying: What medicine can you people come up with that can impregnate a virgin woman? Then with God's will and power Jesus(pbuh)healed lepers, cured the blind, and even raised the dead among other miracles. So God shows these people their knowledge of medicine was nothing compared to His Almighty power which He showed them through His prophet Jesus(pbuh). Now in prophet Muhammad's(pbuh)time the people were arrogant because of their knowledge of poetry and linguistics. The Arabs of this land would sometimes have words that had 100 synonyms. So what God used here was His scripture The Holy Qur'an, through Muhammad(pbuh)who was an illiterate man.. Everyone who knew him knew he was unlearned and could not read nor write. By doing this God showed that this scripture couldn't be produced by a human being, therefore could only come from God Himself. The Qur'an was first revealed to Muhammad(pbuh)from God through the Angel Gabriel in the year 610. The entire Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period verses at a time. Since Muhammad was an Arab the language he spoke was Arabic which is why we are called "Muslims" which is Arabic for "Submitters to God" and why we call God "Allah" simply the Arabic name for God. The difference between Muhammad(pbuh)and all other prophets is that they were only sent to their own nation of people, whereas Muhammad(pbuh)was not just sent to the Arabs, but for the rest of mankind. When reading the Qur'an in Arabic the verses rhyme. But the message is much bigger than that. God says here what poetry can you people come up with that not only gives a religious message, rhymes, but has scientific, mathematical, astronomical, and linguistic miracles that no one except God could have knowledge of? For instance the word for day appears throughout the Qur'an exactly 365 times. The word for month appears exactly 12 times. The word for sea appears 32 times and the word for land appears 13 times. 32+13=45. 32/45=71.11% the exact percentage of water that covers the Earth and 13/45=28.89% the exact percentage of land that covers the Earth. Angels and devils are compared with each other and they both are used 88 times each. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Man and woman are each used 23 times and males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes as well. Ch. 16 is The Honeybee, scientists today have discovered that the bee has 16 chromosomes. I should also mention that these words are not all used in the same verses like man and woman, man and woman. But are scattered throughout the Qur’an which remember I said didn’t all come down at one time, but verses at a time over a 23 year period. So what human being, who can’t read or write, would be able to keep up with how many times a specific word was used in a book containing 6236 verses in 114 chapters, over a 23 year period? I could see if just 1 or 2 of these miracles appeared, they could be considered a coincidence, but with all of these and so many more , which I would be more than happy to share with u, show that all of this could only be produced by God Allah.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: You have low standards for what constitutes miracles.

well that's what most people don't understand. They think a miracle has to be something that appears out of the blue or goes against science and nature. I'm not saying that when these kind of things happen they aren't miracles, because a miracle is an act of God that cannot be produced without His will and power. Here's the way it happened. God sent a prophet to every nation of people He created. This way the prophet was able to speak to his people in their own native tongue, so they could understand the message to worship God alone. There have been over 120,000 prophets sent since the beginning of mankind all over the world. So for example when a Hebrew prophet was sent they called God "Yahweh" the Hebrew name for God. Whereas if an English speaking prophet was sent he would call God "God" the English name for God. And if a Spanish prophet was sent he would call God "Dios". They all refer to the same Supreme Being just in different languages. Now I'm just using these 3 languages as examples. I don't know for sure if English or Spanish had even existed the way Hebrew and many other languages did. Anyway to use some well known prophetic names. In prophet Moses'(pbuh)time the people then were highly arrogant because of their knowledge of magic. So God sent Moses(pbuh)with miracles that out performed the peoples' trickery, such as his rod turning into a serpent and back into a rod, and Moses(pbuh)being a dark skinned desert man, placing his hand in his bosom and it glowed white like the moon, and also his parting the sea. These were all acts of God(miracles)which God used through His prophet Moses(pbuh)to let these people know, no matter how knowledgeable of magic and trickery they were they could not out perform God's Almighty power. So if they follow Moses, he will guide them to God. Just as in Jesus'(pbuh)time, the people then were highly arrogant due to their knowledge of medicine. So first God sends His prophet Jesus(pbuh)born of a virgin woman, basically saying: What medicine can you people come up with that can impregnate a virgin woman? Then with God's will and power Jesus(pbuh)healed lepers, cured the blind, and even raised the dead among other miracles. So God shows these people their knowledge of medicine was nothing compared to His Almighty power which He showed them through His prophet Jesus(pbuh). Now in prophet Muhammad's(pbuh)time the people were arrogant because of their knowledge of poetry and linguistics. The Arabs of this land would sometimes have words that had 100 synonyms. So what God used here was His scripture The Holy Qur'an, through Muhammad(pbuh)who was an illiterate man.. Everyone who knew him knew he was unlearned and could not read nor write. By doing this God showed that this scripture couldn't be produced by a human being, therefore could only come from God Himself. The Qur'an was first revealed to Muhammad(pbuh)from God through the Angel Gabriel in the year 610. The entire Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period verses at a time. Since Muhammad was an Arab the language he spoke was Arabic which is why we are called "Muslims" which is Arabic for "Submitters to God" and why we call God "Allah" simply the Arabic name for God. The difference between Muhammad(pbuh)and all other prophets is that they were only sent to their own nation of people, whereas Muhammad(pbuh)was not just sent to the Arabs, but for the rest of mankind. When reading the Qur'an in Arabic the verses rhyme. But the message is much bigger than that. God says here what poetry can you people come up with that not only gives a religious message, rhymes, but has scientific, mathematical, astronomical, and linguistic miracles that no one except God could have knowledge of? For instance the word for day appears throughout the Qur'an exactly 365 times. The word for month appears exactly 12 times. The word for sea appears 32 times and the word for land appears 13 times. 32+13=45. 32/45=71.11% the exact percentage of water that covers the Earth and 13/45=28.89% the exact percentage of land that covers the Earth. Angels and devils are compared with each other and they both are used 88 times each. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Man and woman are each used 23 times and males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes as well. Ch. 16 is The Honeybee, scientists today have discovered that the bee has 16 chromosomes. I should also mention that these words are not all used in the same verses like man and woman, man and woman. But are scattered throughout the Qur’an which remember I said didn’t all come down at one time, but verses at a time over a 23 year period. So what human being, who can’t read or write, would be able to keep up with how many times a specific word was used in a book containing 6236 verses in 114 chapters, over a 23 year period? I could see if just 1 or 2 of these miracles appeared, they could be considered a coincidence, but with all of these and so many more , which I would be more than happy to share with u, show that all of this could only be produced by God Allah.

This could easily be an Onion or Clickhole article.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: You have low standards for what constitutes miracles.

well that's what most people don't understand. They think a miracle has to be something that appears out of the blue or goes against science and nature. I'm not saying that when these kind of things happen they aren't miracles, because a miracle is an act of God that cannot be produced without His will and power. Here's the way it happened. God sent a prophet to every nation of people He created. This way the prophet was able to speak to his people in their own native tongue, so they could understand the message to worship God alone. There have been over 120,000 prophets sent since the beginning of mankind all over the world. So for example when a Hebrew prophet was sent they called God "Yahweh" the Hebrew name for God. Whereas if an English speaking prophet was sent he would call God "God" the English name for God. And if a Spanish prophet was sent he would call God "Dios". They all refer to the same Supreme Being just in different languages. Now I'm just using these 3 languages as examples. I don't know for sure if English or Spanish had even existed the way Hebrew and many other languages did. Anyway to use some well known prophetic names. In prophet Moses'(pbuh)time the people then were highly arrogant because of their knowledge of magic. So God sent Moses(pbuh)with miracles that out performed the peoples' trickery, such as his rod turning into a serpent and back into a rod, and Moses(pbuh)being a dark skinned desert man, placing his hand in his bosom and it glowed white like the moon, and also his parting the sea. These were all acts of God(miracles)which God used through His prophet Moses(pbuh)to let these people know, no matter how knowledgeable of magic and trickery they were they could not out perform God's Almighty power. So if they follow Moses, he will guide them to God. Just as in Jesus'(pbuh)time, the people then were highly arrogant due to their knowledge of medicine. So first God sends His prophet Jesus(pbuh)born of a virgin woman, basically saying: What medicine can you people come up with that can impregnate a virgin woman? Then with God's will and power Jesus(pbuh)healed lepers, cured the blind, and even raised the dead among other miracles. So God shows these people their knowledge of medicine was nothing compared to His Almighty power which He showed them through His prophet Jesus(pbuh). Now in prophet Muhammad's(pbuh)time the people were arrogant because of their knowledge of poetry and linguistics. The Arabs of this land would sometimes have words that had 100 synonyms. So what God used here was His scripture The Holy Qur'an, through Muhammad(pbuh)who was an illiterate man.. Everyone who knew him knew he was unlearned and could not read nor write. By doing this God showed that this scripture couldn't be produced by a human being, therefore could only come from God Himself. The Qur'an was first revealed to Muhammad(pbuh)from God through the Angel Gabriel in the year 610. The entire Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period verses at a time. Since Muhammad was an Arab the language he spoke was Arabic which is why we are called "Muslims" which is Arabic for "Submitters to God" and why we call God "Allah" simply the Arabic name for God. The difference between Muhammad(pbuh)and all other prophets is that they were only sent to their own nation of people, whereas Muhammad(pbuh)was not just sent to the Arabs, but for the rest of mankind. When reading the Qur'an in Arabic the verses rhyme. But the message is much bigger than that. God says here what poetry can you people come up with that not only gives a religious message, rhymes, but has scientific, mathematical, astronomical, and linguistic miracles that no one except God could have knowledge of? For instance the word for day appears throughout the Qur'an exactly 365 times. The word for month appears exactly 12 times. The word for sea appears 32 times and the word for land appears 13 times. 32+13=45. 32/45=71.11% the exact percentage of water that covers the Earth and 13/45=28.89% the exact percentage of land that covers the Earth. Angels and devils are compared with each other and they both are used 88 times each. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Man and woman are each used 23 times and males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes as well. Ch. 16 is The Honeybee, scientists today have discovered that the bee has 16 chromosomes. I should also mention that these words are not all used in the same verses like man and woman, man and woman. But are scattered throughout the Qur’an which remember I said didn’t all come down at one time, but verses at a time over a 23 year period. So what human being, who can’t read or write, would be able to keep up with how many times a specific word was used in a book containing 6236 verses in 114 chapters, over a 23 year period? I could see if just 1 or 2 of these miracles appeared, they could be considered a coincidence, but with all of these and so many more , which I would be more than happy to share with u, show that all of this could only be produced by God Allah.

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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 12:00 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: No one has to change a single letter to do the ridiculous math trick that was described.  And the same trick that was done on the Qur'an has been done, in the same way, with similar results, to many, many other books.  It's just a silly math game, and nothing more.  It would work on a newspaper - any newspaper, any section.

would u like a different mathematical, or how about a scientific miracle, or an astronomical miracle, or just a linguistic miracle?

Yes please!  I would love a miracle!!!
Here are the requirements:  the miracle must occur in front of a scientific team that has the equipment to verify the occurrence.  It must be clear and obvious that this occurrence could not take place if constrained by our current knowledge of physics, etc.  The miracle needs to be something currently defined as IMPOSSIBLE, verified by multiple scientific testing.  It would also, to be defined as a miracle, not exist as a result of any human action.  
    Then it would need to be distributed across the globe, for verification.  

    A causative agent would need to step up, take credit, and explain.  If this did not occur, the "miracle" would clearly be a natural phenomena that was in need of further investigation.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: You have low standards for what constitutes miracles.

well that's what most people don't understand. They think a miracle has to be something that appears out of the blue or goes against science and nature. I'm not saying that when these kind of things happen they aren't miracles, because a miracle is an act of God that cannot be produced without His will and power. Here's the way it happened. God sent a prophet to every nation of people He created. This way the prophet was able to speak to his people in their own native tongue, so they could understand the message to worship God alone. There have been over 120,000 prophets sent since the beginning of mankind all over the world. So for example when a Hebrew prophet was sent they called God "Yahweh" the Hebrew name for God. Whereas if an English speaking prophet was sent he would call God "God" the English name for God. And if a Spanish prophet was sent he would call God "Dios". They all refer to the same Supreme Being just in different languages. Now I'm just using these 3 languages as examples. I don't know for sure if English or Spanish had even existed the way Hebrew and many other languages did. Anyway to use some well known prophetic names. In prophet Moses'(pbuh)time the people then were highly arrogant because of their knowledge of magic. So God sent Moses(pbuh)with miracles that out performed the peoples' trickery, such as his rod turning into a serpent and back into a rod, and Moses(pbuh)being a dark skinned desert man, placing his hand in his bosom and it glowed white like the moon, and also his parting the sea. These were all acts of God(miracles)which God used through His prophet Moses(pbuh)to let these people know, no matter how knowledgeable of magic and trickery they were they could not out perform God's Almighty power. So if they follow Moses, he will guide them to God. Just as in Jesus'(pbuh)time, the people then were highly arrogant due to their knowledge of medicine. So first God sends His prophet Jesus(pbuh)born of a virgin woman, basically saying: What medicine can you people come up with that can impregnate a virgin woman? Then with God's will and power Jesus(pbuh)healed lepers, cured the blind, and even raised the dead among other miracles. So God shows these people their knowledge of medicine was nothing compared to His Almighty power which He showed them through His prophet Jesus(pbuh). Now in prophet Muhammad's(pbuh)time the people were arrogant because of their knowledge of poetry and linguistics. The Arabs of this land would sometimes have words that had 100 synonyms. So what God used here was His scripture The Holy Qur'an, through Muhammad(pbuh)who was an illiterate man.. Everyone who knew him knew he was unlearned and could not read nor write. By doing this God showed that this scripture couldn't be produced by a human being, therefore could only come from God Himself. The Qur'an was first revealed to Muhammad(pbuh)from God through the Angel Gabriel in the year 610. The entire Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period verses at a time. Since Muhammad was an Arab the language he spoke was Arabic which is why we are called "Muslims" which is Arabic for "Submitters to God" and why we call God "Allah" simply the Arabic name for God. The difference between Muhammad(pbuh)and all other prophets is that they were only sent to their own nation of people, whereas Muhammad(pbuh)was not just sent to the Arabs, but for the rest of mankind. When reading the Qur'an in Arabic the verses rhyme. But the message is much bigger than that. God says here what poetry can you people come up with that not only gives a religious message, rhymes, but has scientific, mathematical, astronomical, and linguistic miracles that no one except God could have knowledge of? For instance the word for day appears throughout the Qur'an exactly 365 times. The word for month appears exactly 12 times. The word for sea appears 32 times and the word for land appears 13 times. 32+13=45. 32/45=71.11% the exact percentage of water that covers the Earth and 13/45=28.89% the exact percentage of land that covers the Earth. Angels and devils are compared with each other and they both are used 88 times each. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Man and woman are each used 23 times and males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes as well. Ch. 16 is The Honeybee, scientists today have discovered that the bee has 16 chromosomes. I should also mention that these words are not all used in the same verses like man and woman, man and woman. But are scattered throughout the Qur’an which remember I said didn’t all come down at one time, but verses at a time over a 23 year period. So what human being, who can’t read or write, would be able to keep up with how many times a specific word was used in a book containing 6236 verses in 114 chapters, over a 23 year period? I could see if just 1 or 2 of these miracles appeared, they could be considered a coincidence, but with all of these and so many more , which I would be more than happy to share with u, show that all of this could only be produced by God Allah.

The vast majority of this ridiculous diatribe is based upon fairy tales in "holy" books.  No proof of most of it.  The rest is just numbers.  No proof of god there either.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
Quote:This could easily be an Onion or Clickhole article.

Definitely an asshole article.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 9:42 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: well that's what most people don't understand. They think a miracle has to be something that appears out of the blue or goes against science and nature. I'm not saying that when these kind of things happen they aren't miracles, because a miracle is an act of God that cannot be produced without His will and power. Here's the way it happened. God sent a prophet to every nation of people He created. This way the prophet was able to speak to his people in their own native tongue, so they could understand the message to worship God alone. There have been over 120,000 prophets sent since the beginning of mankind all over the world. So for example when a Hebrew prophet was sent they called God "Yahweh" the Hebrew name for God. Whereas if an English speaking prophet was sent he would call God "God" the English name for God. And if a Spanish prophet was sent he would call God "Dios". They all refer to the same Supreme Being just in different languages. Now I'm just using these 3 languages as examples. I don't know for sure if English or Spanish had even existed the way Hebrew and many other languages did. Anyway to use some well known prophetic names. In prophet Moses'(pbuh)time the people then were highly arrogant because of their knowledge of magic. So God sent Moses(pbuh)with miracles that out performed the peoples' trickery, such as his rod turning into a serpent and back into a rod, and Moses(pbuh)being a dark skinned desert man, placing his hand in his bosom and it glowed white like the moon, and also his parting the sea. These were all acts of God(miracles)which God used through His prophet Moses(pbuh)to let these people know, no matter how knowledgeable of magic and trickery they were they could not out perform God's Almighty power. So if they follow Moses, he will guide them to God. Just as in Jesus'(pbuh)time, the people then were highly arrogant due to their knowledge of medicine. So first God sends His prophet Jesus(pbuh)born of a virgin woman, basically saying: What medicine can you people come up with that can impregnate a virgin woman? Then with God's will and power Jesus(pbuh)healed lepers, cured the blind, and even raised the dead among other miracles. So God shows these people their knowledge of medicine was nothing compared to His Almighty power which He showed them through His prophet Jesus(pbuh). Now in prophet Muhammad's(pbuh)time the people were arrogant because of their knowledge of poetry and linguistics. The Arabs of this land would sometimes have words that had 100 synonyms. So what God used here was His scripture The Holy Qur'an, through Muhammad(pbuh)who was an illiterate man.. Everyone who knew him knew he was unlearned and could not read nor write. By doing this God showed that this scripture couldn't be produced by a human being, therefore could only come from God Himself. The Qur'an was first revealed to Muhammad(pbuh)from God through the Angel Gabriel in the year 610. The entire Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period verses at a time. Since Muhammad was an Arab the language he spoke was Arabic which is why we are called "Muslims" which is Arabic for "Submitters to God" and why we call God "Allah" simply the Arabic name for God. The difference between Muhammad(pbuh)and all other prophets is that they were only sent to their own nation of people, whereas Muhammad(pbuh)was not just sent to the Arabs, but for the rest of mankind. When reading the Qur'an in Arabic the verses rhyme. But the message is much bigger than that. God says here what poetry can you people come up with that not only gives a religious message, rhymes, but has scientific, mathematical, astronomical, and linguistic miracles that no one except God could have knowledge of? For instance the word for day appears throughout the Qur'an exactly 365 times. The word for month appears exactly 12 times. The word for sea appears 32 times and the word for land appears 13 times. 32+13=45. 32/45=71.11% the exact percentage of water that covers the Earth and 13/45=28.89% the exact percentage of land that covers the Earth. Angels and devils are compared with each other and they both are used 88 times each. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Man and woman are each used 23 times and males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes as well. Ch. 16 is The Honeybee, scientists today have discovered that the bee has 16 chromosomes. I should also mention that these words are not all used in the same verses like man and woman, man and woman. But are scattered throughout the Qur’an which remember I said didn’t all come down at one time, but verses at a time over a 23 year period. So what human being, who can’t read or write, would be able to keep up with how many times a specific word was used in a book containing 6236 verses in 114 chapters, over a 23 year period? I could see if just 1 or 2 of these miracles appeared, they could be considered a coincidence, but with all of these and so many more , which I would be more than happy to share with u, show that all of this could only be produced by God Allah.

The vast majority of this ridiculous diatribe is based upon fairy tales in "holy" books.  No proof of most of it.  The rest is just numbers.  No proof of god there either.
so would u like to see some more scientific and astronomical cases that help prove my point or will that be too much for u?

(January 9, 2016 at 8:19 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 7:54 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: well that's what most people don't understand. They think a miracle has to be something that appears out of the blue or goes against science and nature. I'm not saying that when these kind of things happen they aren't miracles, because a miracle is an act of God that cannot be produced without His will and power. Here's the way it happened. God sent a prophet to every nation of people He created. This way the prophet was able to speak to his people in their own native tongue, so they could understand the message to worship God alone. There have been over 120,000 prophets sent since the beginning of mankind all over the world. So for example when a Hebrew prophet was sent they called God "Yahweh" the Hebrew name for God. Whereas if an English speaking prophet was sent he would call God "God" the English name for God. And if a Spanish prophet was sent he would call God "Dios". They all refer to the same Supreme Being just in different languages. Now I'm just using these 3 languages as examples. I don't know for sure if English or Spanish had even existed the way Hebrew and many other languages did. Anyway to use some well known prophetic names. In prophet Moses'(pbuh)time the people then were highly arrogant because of their knowledge of magic. So God sent Moses(pbuh)with miracles that out performed the peoples' trickery, such as his rod turning into a serpent and back into a rod, and Moses(pbuh)being a dark skinned desert man, placing his hand in his bosom and it glowed white like the moon, and also his parting the sea. These were all acts of God(miracles)which God used through His prophet Moses(pbuh)to let these people know, no matter how knowledgeable of magic and trickery they were they could not out perform God's Almighty power. So if they follow Moses, he will guide them to God. Just as in Jesus'(pbuh)time, the people then were highly arrogant due to their knowledge of medicine. So first God sends His prophet Jesus(pbuh)born of a virgin woman, basically saying: What medicine can you people come up with that can impregnate a virgin woman? Then with God's will and power Jesus(pbuh)healed lepers, cured the blind, and even raised the dead among other miracles. So God shows these people their knowledge of medicine was nothing compared to His Almighty power which He showed them through His prophet Jesus(pbuh). Now in prophet Muhammad's(pbuh)time the people were arrogant because of their knowledge of poetry and linguistics. The Arabs of this land would sometimes have words that had 100 synonyms. So what God used here was His scripture The Holy Qur'an, through Muhammad(pbuh)who was an illiterate man.. Everyone who knew him knew he was unlearned and could not read nor write. By doing this God showed that this scripture couldn't be produced by a human being, therefore could only come from God Himself. The Qur'an was first revealed to Muhammad(pbuh)from God through the Angel Gabriel in the year 610. The entire Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period verses at a time. Since Muhammad was an Arab the language he spoke was Arabic which is why we are called "Muslims" which is Arabic for "Submitters to God" and why we call God "Allah" simply the Arabic name for God. The difference between Muhammad(pbuh)and all other prophets is that they were only sent to their own nation of people, whereas Muhammad(pbuh)was not just sent to the Arabs, but for the rest of mankind. When reading the Qur'an in Arabic the verses rhyme. But the message is much bigger than that. God says here what poetry can you people come up with that not only gives a religious message, rhymes, but has scientific, mathematical, astronomical, and linguistic miracles that no one except God could have knowledge of? For instance the word for day appears throughout the Qur'an exactly 365 times. The word for month appears exactly 12 times. The word for sea appears 32 times and the word for land appears 13 times. 32+13=45. 32/45=71.11% the exact percentage of water that covers the Earth and 13/45=28.89% the exact percentage of land that covers the Earth. Angels and devils are compared with each other and they both are used 88 times each. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Man and woman are each used 23 times and males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes as well. Ch. 16 is The Honeybee, scientists today have discovered that the bee has 16 chromosomes. I should also mention that these words are not all used in the same verses like man and woman, man and woman. But are scattered throughout the Qur’an which remember I said didn’t all come down at one time, but verses at a time over a 23 year period. So what human being, who can’t read or write, would be able to keep up with how many times a specific word was used in a book containing 6236 verses in 114 chapters, over a 23 year period? I could see if just 1 or 2 of these miracles appeared, they could be considered a coincidence, but with all of these and so many more , which I would be more than happy to share with u, show that all of this could only be produced by God Allah.

This could easily be an Onion or Clickhole article.

would u like more examples of different miracles also in the Qur'an?
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
I'd settle for a single miracle in the quran...but I won't be holding my breath.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 9, 2016 at 9:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: would u like a different mathematical, or how about a scientific miracle, or an astronomical miracle, or just a linguistic miracle?

Yes please!  I would love a miracle!!!
Here are the requirements:  the miracle must occur in front of a scientific team that has the equipment to verify the occurrence.  It must be clear and obvious that this occurrence could not take place if constrained by our current knowledge of physics, etc.  The miracle needs to be something currently defined as IMPOSSIBLE, verified by multiple scientific testing.  It would also, to be defined as a miracle, not exist as a result of any human action.  
    Then it would need to be distributed across the globe, for verification.  

    A causative agent would need to step up, take credit, and explain.  If this did not occur, the "miracle" would clearly be a natural phenomena that was in need of further investigation.

ok here's a few more for u. The word for "moon" is mentioned 27 times and the word for "new moon" is mention 1 time totaling 28 which is the number of phases of the moon that orbits our planet.
The word "moon" is mentioned is ch.54 verse 1. If u count the remaining verses all the way to the end of the Qur'an there are 1,390 verses. The year 1390 of the Hijra(Islamic)calendar is equal to the year 1969 of the Gregorian calendar which we go by to this day. Of course we know that 1969 was the year that man first set foot on the moon.
 In 23:44 God says "thumMa ARSalnaa rasulanaa tatraa" which translates to "Then We sent our messengers in succession" now this verse doesn't mention anything astronomical in message. But wait look at letters I capitalized in quotation marks. The Arabic letters Mim(M) Alif(A) Ra® and Sin(S) appear in this order and spell "MARS". The next time these Arabic letters appear in this exact order is verse 23:45 which is exactly "1" verse later and it says "thumMa ARSalnaa moosaa wa akhaahu haaroona" which translates to "Then we sent Moses and his brother Aaron" again u see this has no astronomical message but u see "MARS" again 1 verse later, and guess what? Mars takes exactly "1 day" to rotate around its own axis. But wait gets better. Chapter 46 is Al-Ahqaf which means "Sand dunes" in 46:23 it says "MA uRSil'tu bihi" meaning "what I am sent with". In verse 46:30 it says "unzila min ba'aDi MOoSaa" meaning "revealed after Moses". Now the capital letters here Dal(D)Mim(M)Waw(O)and Sin(S)in order spell "DMOS" the name of one of the moons that orbits Mars is called "Deimos". This is the only chapter these names are both mentioned together and with today's technology, scientists have recently discovered Mars is a planet completely covered with "sand dunes" which just so happens to be the name of this chapter.
In Arabic there is no letter "V" as in English and other languages. So the Arabic letter "W" is used to replace "V". In 8:72 it says "Wa ENUS tansurookum" meaning "And if they seek your help" The letters "WENUS" appear in order and the next verse where they appear again is in 11:3 "Wa ENUStaghfiru rabbakum" meaning "And seek forgiveness of your Lord". In 17:7 it says "Wa ENUSatum" or "If you do evil". It turns out that there are 243 verses between 8:72 and 11:3. Scientists have discovered it takes the planet Venus 243 days to revolve around the sun rotating on its own axis in an opposite direction of other planets. But to go further it rotates on an angle of 177 degrees (17:7).
The letters in Arabic all have numerical value just as Roman Numerals (I=1 V=5 X=10 etc). Chapter 57 is Al-Hadyd or The Iron. If u take the numerical value of the letters without vowels (H)=8 (D)=4 (Y)=10 (D)=4 they equal 26. If u look at any elemental periodic table the atomic number for iron (Fe) is 26. Now if u add Al to make it Al-Hadyd or “The Iron” (A)=1 and (L)=30 which equal 31 plus 26 u get 57 which happens to be the number of the chapter in the Qur'an. Also being 114 Ch. in the entire Qur’an, 57 is exactly in the middle. Scientists have discovered that the middle of our Earth, the core consists of molten iron.


(January 9, 2016 at 9:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(January 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: would u like a different mathematical, or how about a scientific miracle, or an astronomical miracle, or just a linguistic miracle?

Yes please!  I would love a miracle!!!
Here are the requirements:  the miracle must occur in front of a scientific team that has the equipment to verify the occurrence.  It must be clear and obvious that this occurrence could not take place if constrained by our current knowledge of physics, etc.  The miracle needs to be something currently defined as IMPOSSIBLE, verified by multiple scientific testing.  It would also, to be defined as a miracle, not exist as a result of any human action.  
    Then it would need to be distributed across the globe, for verification.  

    A causative agent would need to step up, take credit, and explain.  If this did not occur, the "miracle" would clearly be a natural phenomena that was in need of further investigation.

The number 19 is used thoroughly in the Qur’an. In 74:30 God says this is the number of angels guarding Hell. In 74:31 it is mentioned that this number will give the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) certainty, and also increase faith in the believers Muslims), and those who have diseases in their hearts and disbelieve will just shun it and say “Nothing was meant by that”. This verse comprises of 57 words or 19x3. The words in this chapter, prior to this verse are 95 or 19x5. If u count the letters all the way up to, but not including the word “nineteen” there are 361 letters or 19x19. Did all these 19s coincidently end up near the mention of the word nineteen? I don’t think so. Ch.96 consists of 19 verses and the first 5 verses are the first revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as he meditated in the cave. They are made up of 19 words. If u count the letters in these 5 verses they equal 76 which is 19x4. The entire amount of letters in that chapter are 285 or 19x15. The 72nd Ch. also has 285 words and this Ch. ends saying that God has taken everything into account “numerically”. Some Ch. begin with disjointed letters which only God knows the meaning for. In Ch. 42 and 50 they begin with the Arabic letter “Qaf” which is equivalent to ”Q” in English. The letter Qaf is used in each of these Ch. 57 times each or 19x3. Also with these 2 Ch. (42 and 50) the number of the Ch. added to the number of verses in the Ch. equal 95 or 19x5. As said b4 Jesus (pbuh) and Adam (pbuh) are both mentioned 25 times each. They are said to be like each other for the first time in Ch. 3 which happens the 7th time each name mentioned. They are not mentioned together again until they are mentioned in the same verse in Ch.19 which is the 19th time Adam (pbuh) is mentioned in the Qur’an and the 19th time Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned in the Qur’an. If we count the verses from the first time they’re both mentioned together to the last time they’re both mentioned together, there are 1,957 verses or 19x103. If we count all of the verse numbers in which Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned and add them together u also get 1,957 or 19x103.
God also mentions the creation and stages of the embryo inside a mother's womb. With x-rays and today's technology, it shows that every stage mentioned in the Qur'an is precise to the "T".
So how do all of these miracles, first off come from a man, especially living in that time period with no microscopes, satellites, telescopes, computers etc.? These that I have shared with u are nowhere near the total amount of miracles of the entire Qur'an. These are only a few of the ones that we have blessed by God Almighty to understand and tell others about. So when God challenges mankind to come up with, not a book but just a single chapter, that does not only rhyme and give a religious message but also every letter in it will be preserved for all time, and hold some value to being part of an entire miracle, it is to put man in his appropriate place and make him recognize and understand that the best knowledge is with God alone and no creature of God can ever design such a marvel, never could and never will, and God knows this and that is why He put forward challenge. It can never be accomplished. For God alone is Most High, Supreme in Glory.
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