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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 11:10 am
Hi Drich,
(May 31, 2012 at 2:10 am)Drich Wrote: ...An Almighty God had the power to do anything His Character or defining qualities will allow... Now with in that chratacter He is without limit. Which makes Him Almighty. By that definition, everything is God; all things are able to do the things which are within their nature & defining qualities. This apologetic is absolute fail.
On the point 'there's a difference between the definition of Allmighty and Omnipotent'... there isn't. 'Omni' translates as 'All' and 'Potent' as 'Mighty'. They're exactly the same thing.
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 11:30 am
It's all in the nuances, I'm sure. Believing is seeing, after all.
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 12:02 pm
The nuance is god told him to retreat from any rigor and embrace any obsurdity in order to believe in god.
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm
(June 1, 2012 at 10:21 am)Chuck Wrote: That's because you are a christian and have that idiot faith that there must be an infinitiy beneath the sickening, self glorifying bombastic surface.We look and judge from a different perspective using techniques with demonstrated power to penetrate the surface. And it is not that we didn't find anything beneath. We found there is nothing beneath.  Do you honestly think out of all who have searched for God, all found nothing as you have?
Have any of those who found nothing cared to look as God has instructed?
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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(June 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Have any of those who found nothing cared to look as God has instructed?
If a "god" need to instruct me on how to find him, then he is no god. He could be but a fraud needing to lead the gullible to the con.
(June 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Do you honestly think out of all who have searched for God, all found nothing as you have?
No, but then those who searches for god can't tell when there is no god even if no god is staring them in the face.
Do you think if you scrupulously follow the instructions set out by a con man for the purposes of conning you, you would avoid being conned?
The truth is those instruction are pretty fucking shabby, and it takes a inveterate and disgracefully gnorant moron to think they are anything but a very low class, long obsolete con job.
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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(June 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm)Chuck Wrote: If a "god" need to instruct me on how to find him, then he is no god. He could be but a fraud needing to lead the gullible to the con.
God tells us that He has hidden Himself away from those with a proud and haughty heart. Without following His instructions no one will find Him.
That is why it is possiable for you to go thrugh the motions of looking and find all that you have found. I can show you where to look if you are interested.
(June 1, 2012 at 11:10 am)Ben Davis Wrote: Hi Drich,
(May 31, 2012 at 2:10 am)Drich Wrote: ...An Almighty God had the power to do anything His Character or defining qualities will allow... Now with in that chratacter He is without limit. Which makes Him Almighty. By that definition, everything is God; all things are able to do the things which are within their nature & defining qualities. This apologetic is absolute fail.
On the point 'there's a difference between the definition of Allmighty and Omnipotent'... there isn't. 'Omni' translates as 'All' and 'Potent' as 'Mighty'. They're exactly the same thing.
If you could be bothered to take the time to read some of my other post you will see this discussion is not about definations, but how you understand them to be applied to God.
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm
(June 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: (June 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm)Chuck Wrote: If a "god" need to instruct me on how to find him, then he is no god. He could be but a fraud needing to lead the gullible to the con.
God tells us that He has hidden Himself away from those with a proud and haughty heart. Without following His instructions no one will find Him.
That is why it is possiable for you to go thrugh the motions of looking and find all that you have found. I can show you where to look if you are interested.
I have checked my cupboard and he isn't in there... where else should I look? In the attic maybe? 
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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(June 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: God tells us that He has hidden Himself away from those with a proud and haughty heart.
That's because the con man doesn't want his con investigated, nor want potential victims to take an independent path, for that would allow them to escape the maw of the con.
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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Its always the same shit with you isn't it? People have looked -in precisely the way they are advised to look- and found nothing. Others look and find something. Neither outcome has much to say about any god. If you were capable of showing anyone anything don't you think that you'd have done so by now Drich?
(it's interesting to note that this claim is bullshit on a few levels btw- you have no idea how sincerely others have searched, and are incapable of determining the proper way to search in the first place)
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RE: God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
June 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm
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The "you have to believe to be believed" rubbish is getting tiresome. Christians have nothing better, and yet they stand amazed when people tell them to go pack sand.
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